Help me fight a liberal!!!!

leftist on reagan:Let's see, the 80's were the triumph of upper America. Let's see 350,000 were cut off social security disability, one guy who was awarded the Medal of Honor by Reagan, Roy Benavidez was told that the shrapnel pieces in his heart, arms, and leg did not prevent him from working. Another guy injured in an oil field accident Doctors and state supervisors who testified that he was too disabled to work were overruled, they guy died a little later, tons of stories like these. In 1982 30 million folks were unemployed, some 16 million lost their health bennies. New requirements eliminated free school lunches for more than one million poor children, who depended on the meal for as much as half of their daily nutrition. a quarter of the nation's children (twelve million) were newly living in poverty.
A CEO in 1980 was making forty times as much in salary as the average factory worker, by 89 they were making 93 times as much. I'm not even going to bother schooling you on the tax system changes. Black folks lived 10 years less, 30-40% more unemployment, 42% of young black men between 18-35 were either in jail, or out on probation or parole. The crime rate among blacks, instead of being seen as a crying demand for the elimination of poverty, was used by politicians to call for building of more prisons (Here is where most white men's white privilege kicks in and has a bunch of Bull Shit to say about people of color and nothing but denial of the existence of white privilege in the first place, so fricking odd to me).
Reagan (bush and reagan showed a special aggressiveness in the use of military force abroad), Reagan came into office just after a revolution had taken place in Nicaragua, in which a popular Sandinista movement (named after the 1920's revolutionary hero Augusto Sandino) overthrew the corrupt Somoza dynasty (long supported by the United States). The Sandinistas, a coalistion of Marxist, left-wing priests, and assorted nationalists, set about to give more land to the peasants and to spread education and health care among the poor.
The Reagan administration, seein in this a "Communist" threat, but evne more important, a challenge to the long U.S. control over goverments in Centeral America, began immediately to work to overthrow the Sandinisa government. It waged a secret war by having the CIA organize a counterrevolutionary force (the "contras"), many of whose leaders were former leaders of the hated National Guard under Somoza.
The contras seemd to have no po;ular support inside Nicaragua and so were based next door in Honoduras, a very poor country dominated by the U.S. From Honduras they moved across the border, raiding farms and villages, killing men, women and children, committing atrocities. A former colonel with the contras, Edgar Chamorro, testified befor the World Court: this is part of the transcript (you know how to work the google machine right?) "We were told that the only way to defeat the Sandinistas was to use the tactics the agency [CIA] attributed to communist insurgencies elsewhere: kill, kidnap, rob and torture.... Many civilians were killed in cold blood. Many others were tortured, mutilated, raped, robbed or otherwise abused.... When I agreed to join... I had hoped that it would be an organization of Nicaraguans... turned out to be an instrument of the U.S. government".
There was a reason for the secrecy of the U.S. actions in Nicaragua; public opinion surveys showed that the American public was opposed to military involvement there. in 1984, the CIA, using Latin American agents to conceal its involvement, put mines in the harbors of Nicaragua to blow up ships. When information leaked Weinberg told ABC news; "The U.S. is not mining the harbors of Nicaragua"
Later that year Congress, responding to public opinion and the memory of Vietnam, made it illegal for the U.S. to support directly or indirectly, military or paramilitary operations in Nicaragua. The Reagan admin decided to ignor this law and to find ways to fund the contras secretly, looking for third party support. Reagan himself solicited funds from Saudi Arabia, at least $32 million. The friendly dictatorship in Guatemala was used to get arms surreptitiously to the contras. Israel, dependent on U.S. aid and always dependable for support, was also used. Then blablabla the us sold guns to Iran (supposed enemy) Iran promised to release hostages and profits when to the contras to buy arms.
86 Reagan, Shultz evidence mounted, with the CIA pilot. What else, what else, Olly North, Once the scandal was out, neither the congressional investigation committees nor the press nor the trial of Olly North, who oversaw the contra aid operation, got to the critical questions: What is U.S. foreign policy all about? How are the president and his staff permitted to support a terrorist group in Centeral America to overthrow a government that, whatever its faults, is welcomed by its own people as a great improvement over the terrible governments the U.S. has supported there for years? What does the scandal tell us about democracy, about freedom of expression, about an open society? But then again we gotta get those commies!!! so forget all this crap!
And next time I can help you uncover violent masculinity in the media and what that means for our kids I can't get the same documents that were quoted to me about this statistic but I will mention it anyway, 68% of men 18-25 in prison are there because they were trying to protect a woman (mom, girlfriend, stranger, friend, grandmother, aunt) And there is a reason why white boys in particular, shoot up schools, however they never report "young boys" it's always reported as "young kids". Violence is a male issue, it is up to males to make it their issue because they are the ones most hurt by it, not women. the majority of males kill other males.For more than two hundred years—until Ronald Reagan became
president—economics was not hard to understand. Everyone
could figure out that when working people have money, they
spend most of it. When extremely wealthy people have money,
they save most of it. It's the spending of money by working people
that creates consumer demand. Consumer demand in turn creates
business opportunities, and that creates jobs.
In 1981 Reagan introduced America to trickle-down economics,
also called (by George H. W. Bush, who understood classical
economics even though he later had to placate the con base)
"voodoo economics." Reagan's concept, in a nutshell, was that if
we reorganized society so that the wealth of the rich grew suddenly
and quickly, they'd use that money to build factories and
hire more people, thus allowing their wealth to "trickle down" to
the workers.
This assertion of Reagan's was new—it had never before happened
in the history of the world. Certainly small groups of political
and/or economic elites had concentrated wealth at the expense
of society generally, but none had ever before said they were doing
it because economics justified it. Kings throughout history had
simply claimed the divine right of kings.
Even though voodoo economics had never been tried,
Reagan was able to convince average Americans that it would
work, and got it pushed through Congress. (Members of Congress
saw it for what it was, but so did their wealthy contributors who
would benefit from it, so Republicans and a few sellout "conservative" Democrats in Congress went along.) To institute his voodoo economics, Reagan slashed top marginal income tax rates on millionaires and billionaires from 70 percent to 50 percent in 1981 and all the way down to 28 percent by 1988.
The result wasn't at all what Reagan expected. Rather than
create income, the Reagan tax cuts dropped the United States into
the greatest debt in the history of the world at that time. Reagan turned to his conservative friend Alan Greenspan, who suggested that Reagan could hide part of the debt by borrowing a few hundred billion dollars a year from the Social Security Trust Fund. Reagan followed Greenspan's advice, which is why we have a Social Security crisis today: the government borrowed all the money in the fund from 1982 to today to help cover the voodoo economics budget deficit; and now, to pay back Social Security, income taxes—which hit millionaires and billionaires (unlike Social Security FICA taxes, which are taken only on the first $90,000 of income from working people)—rose substantially.
Additionally, as would be expected, the rich got fabulously
richer under Reagan. From 1980 to 1990, the income of the
wealthiest 5 percent of Americans rose by 25 percent while the
income of the bottom 40 percent stayed absolutely flat. This is
why the most wealthy in America didn't use their money to build
factories—after all, there wasn't a significant increase in demand,
so why manufacture things that people can't afford? Instead this
nation's rich loaned some of their money to the U.S. government
so it could pay the bills Reagan was running up, getting it back
over the ensuing twenty years with a healthy dose of interest, paid
for by future taxpayers. Although trickle-down economics did produce millions of jobs, they were almost all outside of the United States, while at the same time good U.S. manufacturing jobs vanished.

 

Wow I bet you feel better getting that off you chest, certainly a mouthful. Kind of long and tough to read in my present state :eggnog:

 

i didnt write it! a liberal did, help me defend reagan please

 

Ooops...

 

There is nothing to defend. All the information in the above post is absolutely true. Reagan was a Class A # 1 ASSHOLE!!! He sold weapons to America's enemies!!!! Obama would be impeached for selling weapons to Iran to fund terrorism in Central America!!!

This isn't a leftist take on Reagan, its just a summary of the truth about the Reagan Regime's shenanigans.

 

Anyone smell a troll?

 

Are you a libertarian>?

 

I cant help you defend ronnie raygun, why would you want to, he was a asshole. And I certainly dont need to be reminded of him, his rotten memory is burned into my brain

 

i thought you guys were libertarians

 

No move along

 

Discuss the Libertarian philosophy, platforms and candidates. LIBERTARIAN forums. why are you here then?.... and i don't want to defend reagan, i was talking to a communist about american exceptionalism and they raped my facebook inbox with that long-ass message and i'm not gonna ignore it

 

Discuss the Libertarian philosophy, platforms and candidates. LIBERTARIAN FORUMS, i asked LIBERTARIANS, not you. i dont want to defend ronnie but this communist totally raped my facebook inbox

 

Your very confusing, you contradicted yourself

 

No I'm not but that is a moot point as these forums are not exclusive. If you had been on here for six years like I have, you would know that.

Reagan was not a Libertarian he was a Conservative Republican. You're on the wrong forum go to the Republican forum if your trying to defend your sorry, lying, little hero. I think you'll find few Reaganites on here, especially among people like me who are old enough to remember him.

 

If he raped your facebook, why don't you bitch about it ON FACEBOOK!?!?!?

 

At first you claimed this person was a leftist and you wanted to defend Reagan. Then you say the person was a communist and you don't want to defend Reagan. Which is it?

Lets not forget the Crack Epidemic and "Just say NO." We can thank Ronnie"I can't recall Senator" Reagan for those as well. He railed against pot smokers while his CIA flooded the ghetto with cheap crack cocaine.

 

Leftist communist. I don't want to sit around and defend him but this person freaked out when I said to good words about him.

 

Reagan implemented libertarian policy and laissez-faire capitalism. He was a conservative republican who adhered to libertarian economics

 

Dont blame them, I cant put two words together praising him either:banghead:

 

buffalo? rochester?