I like to tell Christians to read the Bible

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by Duck, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    too lazy to look it up right now, but it refers to mana as a round, pebble shaped object that appears miraculously after the dew/rain. shrooms?......
     
  2. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    forgiven

    [i have that power]

    :rolleyes:
     
  3. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Fungi are a most likely candidate appearing as if miraculously over night.
     
  4. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    They're not thier sisters.

    They are the decscendents of Adam and Lilith-- Adam's first wife, a Demon.

    The Bible ain't all there is to this story!
     
  5. geckopelli

    geckopelli Senior Member

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    Aminita Muscaria, to be preciese.

    Now, everybody seach John Allegro and get your shit blown away!
     
  6. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    i did. :)


    here's a little sample for everyone who hasn't:

    CHRISTIAN ORIGINS

    John Allegro believed that Essenism was the matrix of Christianity. There were so many correspondences between the scroll texts and the New Testament - words and phrases, beliefs and practices, Messianic leadership, a teacher who was persecuted and possibly crucified - that he thought the derivation obvious. This brought him into conflict with the Catholic priests on the editing team, and with most church spokesmen, who maintained the orthodox assumption that the arrival of Jesus was the unique, historical, god-given event described in the Gospels. Allegro suggested it might be less unique and miraculous than they said. He also started to look in more depth at the way the New Testament appeared to weave together a mix of folklore, myth, incantation and history, and to ask why.

    LANGUAGE, MYTH AND RELIGION

    As a philologist, Allegro analysed the derivations of language. He traced biblical words and phrases back to their roots in Sumerian, and showed how Sumerian phonemes recur in varying but related contexts in many Semitic, classical and other Indo-European languages. Although meanings changed to some extent, Allegro found some basic religious ideas passing on through the genealogy of words. His book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross relates the development of language on our continent to the development of myths, religions and cultic practices in many cultures. Allegro believed he could prove through etymology that the roots of Christianity, as of many other religions, lay in fertility cults; and that cultic practices, such as ingesting hallucinogenic drugs to perceive the mind of god, persisted into Christian times.

    The reaction to The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross ruined Allegro's career. The church found his theory so shocking that the book received instant condemnation instead of scholarly appraisal.

    Allegro went on to write several other books exploring the roots of religion; notably The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth, which relates Christian theology to Gnostic writings, classical mythology and Egyptian sun-worship in the common quest for divine light.

    To sum up, John Allegro believed the Dead Sea Scrolls raised issues that concerned everyone. It wasn't just a matter of dusty manuscripts and disputed translations - the story of the scrolls raised questions about freedom of access to evidence, freedom of speech, and freedom to challenge orthodox religious views. He believed that through understanding the origins of religion people could be freed from its bonds to think for themselves and take responsibility for their own judgements.

    [Sourced from: John Marco Allegro, the Maverick of the Dead Sea Scrolls by Judith Anne Brown; pb. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids, 2005.]
     
  7. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

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    a prophet is never accepted in his/her own land
     
  8. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    citation?
     
  9. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    It had to start somehow. Were you expecting them to mate with chimps?
     
  10. noela

    noela Members

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    Buddha! ;)
     
  11. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    I hope he wasn't serious. The reference to "whoring" in the OT commonly refers to chasing after false gods.
     
  12. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Lilith is a character from Jewish folklore not considered to be Canonical. In the Judeo-Christian Bible, they are presumably their sisters.
     
  13. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Allegro believed that Jesus was a mushroom. Interesting theory. There are so many of them.
     
  14. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    are you serious? i didn't see that.......jesus is a mushroom.......guess that makes more sense than being the one and only son of god who had to die for our sins because the all-powerful god couldn't just forgive us-for the mistake our ancestor made.
     
  15. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Allegro's theory is that "Jesus" was a codeword for a psychedlic mushroom, used as a cover to throw off the Romans. Allegro's scholarly reputation has never been the same. (I din't know narcs were a problem in Roman times.)
     
  16. yyyesiam2

    yyyesiam2 Senior Member

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    that's interesting (no sarcasm). still makes more sense to me than what i mentioned in my last post. of course, really, neither makes very much sense, if what you are saying is true.

    what does make sense, however, is that the bible is a compilation of mostly unrelated myths of varying origins that were edited (pretty well might i add) to appear to have some kind of conformity to each other.
     
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