Just wondering if anyone can shine some light on just how potent this substance is. I have a hard time taking what people say on erowid and other places too seriously, so I came here to ask your opinion. I have a 12mg sample, people tell me its a very strong and serious hit. I'm wondering how it compares to taking 60mg of 2ce, or anything higher in dose. In reality, I am expecting an intense and longer 2ce trip. Should I expect more? Any guidance or light shed on this substance would be greatly appreciated. I dont know why I'm worried about this. Thanks
That's what I've heard about it, like a long more intence 2c-e trip... but I've neevr done P so I am not an expert. And I may be wrong here, someone will correct me if I am... but I think around 15mgs your verging on overdose level. So be careful with that 12 unless you know damn well what you're getting yiourself into. Personally, 2c-p is said to be like a longer and harder 2c-e trip.... but I think those are 2 things that 2c-e doesn't even need. It's a hard ass trip at proper dosage and lasts upwards of 12 hours already... I suppose it's just a matter of preferance. I'll leave the floor to the more experiances forumers now.
rom another forum (Shulgin's response in 2004): I contacted the person who tried the 16 milligram dose of 2C-P and who gave me the phrase, "16 mg was clearly an overdose, with the entire experiment labeled a physical disaster, not to be repeated." He checked his notes and shared more details that establishes context for this comment. When he was about eleven years old, he was sitting in his living room of his parent's house, and a medium sized earthquake happened and knocked over some furniture including a full bookcase. This landed on his legs and hurt him very badly. Nothing was broken, but the pulled muscles made it painful to walk. This discomfort lasted for upwards of a year. At the peak of the 2C-P trial (he about 45 years old at the time) he recalled and re-lived this frightening experience and there was extreme pain in his legs. No cardiovascular effects, or signs of toxicity. It was a childhood physical disaster that was re-lived and he had no wish to repeat that particular dose, as he didn't want to repeat the pain. He did another experiment two weeks later, with 9 milligrams, and had a long-lived +++ but had no childhood memories! This all took place in late 1985.
Jesus, the overdose isn't a toxic one, it just means he felt he took too much. I took 20 mg., and thought it was kinda boring. You might find 12 mg. to be intense, but not 60 mg. 2ce intense. 30 mg. 2cp might be closer to the 50-60 mg. 2ce level. Expect 12 mg. to last 12-16 hours. Higher doses 16-32 hours. Vomiting foam is possible with this one, but heard 2ce causes that occasionally too.
I've been sitting on some 2c-p for a while but I'm planning 12-14mg first dose. I don't doubt that 2c-p will probably be intense, but I don't think 12mg will even touch 60mg 2c-e, but I'm just speculating as I've only gone up to 40mg 2c-e and for all I know 2c-p could kick my ass. Shulgin and Erowid tend to lowball doses because their charts were comprised before people started pushing the limits with these subs. On the other hand I've personally never heard of anyone going above 20mg besides Smitty, and he says it's apparently boring, but everyone reacts differently so keep that all in mind. I think 12mg is a good (probably strong) first dose, but if you're worried, take 8mg to start and take the rest later if you feel like it.
If you've taken 60mg of 2ce, then I suggest the whole 12mg. I've never tried 2cp, but that's what I would do, if it were me. Of course, you could do like SweetBlasphemy suggested and start with 8mg, then up your dose a couple of hours later, if needed. The trip is supposedly long enough that the bump-dose would take effect in time to coincide with the peak of the initial dose. From someone who enjoys 60mg of 2ce, I have no doubt that 12mg of 2cp would be more than tolerable. I can't wait for CannbisSoul to post on this thread. He's tried 60mg of 2ce, and he's tried 2cp, but I can't remember how much 2cp he dosed. He said it was mild compared to 60mg of 2ce though, if I remember correctly.
Well shit, I'm honored. I would say that 12mg of 2c-p felt like maybe 25mg or so of 2c-e. It didn't really get as dark, however. It was more of a.. "scraping the edge trip". Pretty nice, but I prefer 2c-e. However, it does not get anywhere NEAR 60mg of 2c-e. Nothing really does.
I found 100mg DPT to be more intense than 60mg 2c-e. I mean at least it's got the ego death / mindfuck component to it which 2c-e kinda lacks in a sense, even at 60mg I was surprisingly "there" and "with it". Good luck even opening your eyes on a solid DPT dose.
Personally with around 8-10mgs (not sure of exact dose, but not quite 12), I had a very, very long trip. I can't, however, compare it to 2ce, which was intensely euphoric for me and much more kandy, also with a shorter comeup. 2cp took like three hours to come up for me, with only slight visuals and mild psychedelic sensations occurring along with weed within the comeup. I had almost forgotten I'd taken a drug, until I got an intense mindfuck, from which I managed to come to the acceptance and understanding that was needed to release myself. I found 2cp to be the most profound and mentally bizzare 2c I've taken, but barely visual. I learned a lot, but it was very different from 2cb/2ce. I would personally go for a 10mg dose, but I hear 12mg is good, but then again I'm more for lighter psychedelic doses in general. I guess if I were you and I only had the one sample I'd take all 12mg...
2C-E is intense in a different way than either of those two. Nothing comes close to the intensity of 2c-e in the way it makes me feel. DPT/High dose LSD are buttfuck intense, no doubt, but not in the same way.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by this? I'm still wading in the shallow end with 2ce at top dose at 24 mgs but I do have a 50 mgs 2ct7 and a couple decent San Pedro trips.
Well, I just mean that it's pretty different from other psychedelics. 2C-E sort of makes me feel like I'm compressing into myself, and then exploring all that is inside while melting into the waving room. I've also had some of my wildest visuals on 2c-e. The most memorable was on 60mg of 2c-e in Sweden. I walked into the corner of this little house I trip in and closed my eyes. I could see the entire room clearly behind my closed eyelids, and the net of a triangular based prism appeared in the middle of imy vision. Reality flew into the net, which closed up and started spinning in an infinite nothing of kaleidescoping colours. Nothing really compares to the intensity of it in the way it is, but there's lots of drugs that compare in the sheer "the universe is penetrating my anus" feeling. *cough* DPT *cough*
Bleh, after reading all this I just kinda wish I had some 2ce instead. I knew it was suppose to be similar, I just hoped that maybe like 12-15 mg of cp felt kinda like a 30mg 2ce dose just a longer duration. My only complaint about the 2ce is its length. Oh well, i'll let you know how the story goes when I try it next week. Thanks
2c-e is way more visual than 2c-p. I did 32 mgs 2cp and the visuals weren't anything close to as strong as the visuals from 2ce. I am thinking of dosing higher to see how the visuals change. Anyone know what levels are potentially toxic for 2c-p? I read that for 2c-e serious toxicity doesn't start till 500 mg and higher, and i have read a report of someone doing 250 mg 2ce. However, currently I have done the highest dose of 2c-p that I have been able to find on the internet. Anyone know anything about 2c-p toxicity with high doses?
My ex dosed in the mid to upper 30s with 2cp, but I don't know of anything higher, and don't know that you should push it much higher than that. Doses that high tend to give bad nausea, and some possible vomiting from my experience. Just try a different 2c
meh I get nauseous anyway and that doesn't last the whole trip. So far 2ce is the only thing that gives me super strong visuals. The only thing where the more you do the stronger the visuals get, except maybe DMT but that lasts such a short time.. I guess i just need to find another supplier for 2ce
I never tried 2cp but a friend of mine who has done a handful of rc's with me says it is really intense. She said she would rather do 2ce or i just cause she did not like the intensity of the trip which is odd cause she loves getting really high... I would tread on caution with it and start a little lower than average and bump up to so how it go's.
In what way did she say that 2cp was more intense than 2ce? I felt like 2ce was a lot more intense in almost every way, especially with OEV. 60 mg 2ce seemed a LOT more intense than 32 mg 2cp to me.
