That's right. I said it. And i dont mean mostly, i mean almost all. A brief synopsis: I've been at it for 5 years. Before I got to [sic] detox in jail I was doing a gram of good tar/china (didn't matter which, but it had to be top 5% of shit avail on the street, for instance, when got pure fentanyl, it took 2mg IV to make me nod). I had to purify the shit just to get it to fit in a point (spike, needle, w/e). And don't go giving me the bullshit ohhhh china is so much better; it's not. Sure, you'll come upon a great batch of china once in a while, but same goes for tar. In fact, fuckin with the amigos direct, i'll suggest that the average batch of tar is twice as good as the avg batch of china, from any city. And just to prove my point, i've copped just about everywhere. W/S chicago, Newark, Patterson (no, not 4th & patterson, although i've copped around Wash Sq as well), Baltimore, and also when my shit ran out in Paris. So don't argue with me. Cincy & Indianapolis as well. The best china i've ever had came from indy, and it just so happens to be where the amigos i was just arrested with get their gear from. And just to clarify, it takes 1g of the super good shit, by my standards, which means out of 4 dif mexi crews, more black crews than i can count, and one good white hookup (i'm not counting middlemen or anybody not worthwhile), i get high doing a gram 2 days out of the month. the other 28 days, i get a mild 15 min buzz and thats it. either way, a CI set me up, and i'm charged with felony possession of 8g, and distributing another 6g. my car was seized. so was all the cash on me. i got to [again, sic] detox in jail. and i only puked once, when i drank two apple juices & a milk in a 2 minute period, right around 54 hrs after not using. I was able to eat solid food right near the 96 hr mark. and that's solid JAIL food. so i probably could have eaten real food at the 72 hr mark. i had 0 muscle/bone pains (firmication). i just yawned a fair bit, and had those bullet sneezes (3-5 in a row). In short, if you only do a bag, you have less in your system than i do after 36 hrs. So just suck it up, and be a man. I used to w/d more when i only did 1 bag, then i do now, when it would prob take 1.5g (15 bags) of the shit i started on to get a buzz. And by the way, the cops know that h is exploding. They are coming down hard. And no, they won't legalize anything within the next few years. so unless you have another way of paying for your habit (and are willng to lose any professional licences), or are as stupid as me to believe you can get away with it indefinitely (an idea that is wrong for 99.9% of people, and i never fucked with users direct during past 3-4 years), i suggest getting out of it now. Yeah, it sucks, but a. you will eventually die (like 4 people I can count, the 4 ppl who ODed and werent one of the 15 people i've given CPR due to breathing, heart stopping) or b. go to prison (where despite there being heroin, the ex-inmates i've talked to said tar is 600 a gram, and not anywhere near the quality of shit on the outside, usually).
bro, don't even go saying you know all about dope, maybe if william s burroughs said that i'd believe him. but the intensity of the withdrawals varies from person to person, and sometimes, a hardcore as junky told me after a good amount of using, sometimes he didn't withdraw. doesn't mean that'll always happen. and there are people who are exceptions and don't suffer the physical part of withdrawal but these are like 1 in 100,000 so dont assume ur one of them.
um no... Not totally in your head.. but after a few days when physical withdraws subside.. relapsing and starting the cycle all over again is in your head..
The withdraws must be horrible, I never tried the stuff. I hope all quitting it will stay strong and stay busy.
ohhhhh ok. so shitting/puking all day and non-stop sweating and pain throughout my whole body was just in my head? damn, what was i thinking!
Ya no shit, being in serious WD is the SICKEST I have ever been so count your lucky stars that yours were not that bad.
what was OP's original reason for making this thread? oh yeah to make all of us anonymous internet people respect his vast knowledge of heroin and his obvious status of top junkie. now if only there was a way i could donate money to him so he knew just how cool and awesome i think he is!
I am going to address this from exactly that statement as it is very much a part of addiction. The physical part of addiction is difficult to overcome but can be done and it is all the time. There are in most cases medical assistance for many addictions and there are support groups for this also. The mental or emotional part of the addiction in my opinion is the most difficult to overcome. That is what pulls people back who have beat the physical addiction. To say I don't need it is not enough. The want or the need on an emotional level is in all likelihood still there. What contributed to someone using a highly addictive substance (other than the thrill at first) is probably still there and unless that is also treated the chance of becoming addicted again is very prevalent. In my opinion, emotional dependency is far more difficult to overcome than physical addiction.
Yeah, it was. I used to withdrawl like that when i only was using a bag. When I was in NY and was using a half g too. But it seemed when i was in NY i w/d less then when using just a bag. But this last time when my tolerance was a gram of good quality and wasn't getting high i didn't get the sweats (there were two 30 min periods in jail when my body temp went crazy, but only twice, the rest of the time I was just cold), i only puked once (again, after drinking 2 apple juices and an orange juice at the same time), had liquid shits for 3-5 days (can't remember exactly, lost track of time), and couldn't eat. When I was new to it (5 years ago) I had bone pains, constantly puking or dry heaving, felt suicidal. When I was in NY about a year and a half ago I was constantly puking/dry heaving, my body temp went crazy, had less bone/muscle pains (but still some), and was completely miserable. When I went to jail a week ago for 10 days, I just felt anhedonic, couldn't eat, had goosebumps from time to time, and puked only once the entire time. Whereas in NY I was puking my guts out on the 4th day driving back to Columbus after I made bail, when my habit was 2-3 times as large recently i was able to eat jail food on the 4th day without puking. I used to follow the same logic that it couldn't possibly be in my head if I had physical symptoms, it seems to me that it was almost entirely psychosomatic. And to emphasize this point, while i felt generally shitty, the w/d's werent so intense that I didn't trade food trays for bags, or even pick thru my shit for the 4 that i swallowed. And to the guy saying something along the lines of I was bragging, that was not the point of my brief description of my situation. I was attempting to dissuade people from arguing with my point on the basis that I was a. new to using, b. that my dope wasn't strong enough for me to exp withdrawls (come on, if somebody doesnt get high from 3 oc 80's, and dies from 2 of the same bags i was using, that puts my tolerance at 15 oc 80's for a maintainence shot) and c. ignoring my point that i had more withdrawls with a smaller habit virtually guarantees that nearly all of withdrawls are psychosomatic.
Yeah, that's exactly why I made this thread. It had nothing to do with my desire to help dissolve the stigma and primal fear most users have of withdrawls, and to realize that most of W/D's comes from one's fear of detoxing. Or that choosing to detox to lower one's habit or to abandon one's habit to avoid legal consequences might be a pretty fucking good idea. And even if your last sentence was serious (which it obviously isn't), i don't need or want a fucking tweaker junkie's money. Has it occurred to you that I almost never post on this site but chose to report my most recent experience detoxing as a result of other people detoxing from oc's (one or two at the most, and they snorted them) in jail telling me that seeing me not detox very hard at all, despite my large habit and seeing other people with single bag shot habits detox way harder, helped them overcome the psychosomatic aspects to their withdrawl? And that attempting to alleviate some of the fear and associated psychosomatic physical symptoms associated with opiate withdrawl might help people to choose to stop using when it is damaging their opportunities, relationships, and other aspects to life? There's a reason I don't post very often; I don't really care what people on the internet, and idiots like you, think. I doubt you have the mental capacity to grasp basic arithmetic, let alone the complex relationship between drug use and life (both positive and negative), if you use methamphetamine. So why don't you join the rest of your brethren and think you get w/d's from using meth, and that the voices and hallucinations you see are real, and that you aren't destroying your brain and liver using toxic chemical tainted meth (and the serotonin receptor destroying effects of meth itself) and go fuck yourself. Thanks. I felt sicker and had incredibly negative symptoms the times i withdrew when I only used a bag, or a half gram and was detoxing in Albany County. I do feel lucky that I only had relatively minor withdrawl symptoms, but I had to recognize that as I was only doing a shot every 24 hours, and felt as or more sick after 48 hours of not using on the outside as I did at the 72 hour mark in jail. I had always assumed, based upon seeing other people, that detoxing was relatively equally severe (for each individual person) regardless of amount being used, but generally increased slightly with corresponding larger habits.
Withdrawl symptoms are not a purely mental condition. Hospitals and doctors do not treat mental/psychiatric conditions through medical interventions, they use psychiatric interventions. For you to say that withdrawl syndrome is purely psychosomatic is inaccurate. Now, if you are saying that this is how you, as an individual, respond to drug use/withdrawl I could see your point. But if you think that your personal experience can be generalized to the rest of the population, you are being very ignorant.
Holy shit, is this guy serious? Withdrawl is NOT in your head. You can't just think "I'm not going to W/D" and seriously think that will work. Dude your a total idiot if you think your right. Quoting OP-- "There's a reason I don't post very often; I don't really care what people on the internet, and idiots like you, think. I doubt you have the mental capacity to grasp basic arithmetic, let alone the complex relationship between drug use and life (both positive and negative), if you use methamphetamine." If you don't care what we think, then why are you posting here, claiming to be of some kind of help to us, posting your stupid rant about being king of the junkies and arguing with ppl who do meth? If you don't care don't post. I can't believe your calling us idiots when you are clearly wrong about what you've posted. It is one of the dumbest things I've ever wasted my time reading. And you rag on someone, who you don't know, about their drug of choice when clearly you are a junkie just the same (sounds hipocritical to me) He may be smart as hell but you don't know. Look up Paul Erdos, published more papers than any other mathematician in history!! And guess what? He was a heavy user of METH and AMPHETAMINES. So dude, get a life and post your stupid shit elsewhere. (If you don't care about what I think or have said, I dare you not to reply and argue )
I took a few easy potshots at crankheart. And i never said I would be able to help anybody, but would like to make an attempt to try (I know that I didn't listen to non-users, and likely wouldn't have listened to a current/former user regardless of their experience or other factors). And yes, I was physically and am still psychologically addicted to heroin, but double and single blind studies have shown that stimulants, when used regularly and heavily do far more damage to the brain than virtually all opiates (i'm not including chemicals that are even more toxic such as piperazines, MPTP, etc.). And incidentally, I never said all of withdrawls are in your head. But if i puke/dry heave & have intense muscle/bone pains constantly, during the 60-96 hours after last using, withdrawing with a relatively minor habit (1 bag nodding off, later a half gram to nod off of either good tar [i really can't guestimate the quality when only using 1 bag] or fire china [2-5x the potency of any china i've had from any of the cities i've copped in, or according to people who regularly used china from other cities]) and fiended super hard but then when I was recently in jail and could have used [i couldn't eat and could have traded lunch trays for a bag or 2 dinners for 3 bags] but chose not to, with a habit of 1 gram of good tar/china not getting me high (except 1-2 times a month when it was superfire; for comparison, the avg shit i was getting 2 bags was more than double the potency of 3 oc 80's), I barely withdrew at all besides not being able to eat from 36 hrs-ish to 96 hours later (give or take) and only experienced nausea, a desire to use (that I overcame), the bullet sneezes, a constant feeling of cold, and an uncontrollable 1-2 second shiver every hour or two (all symptoms I felt, but far more severe, the times I didn't use longer than 36 hours) I am forced to acknowledge that the symptoms I felt previously, with a smaller habit and very physically fit and also in much better conditions, were psychosomatic (caused by my psychological state and desire to use). I once believed that if they were physical symptoms, there was no way they could be in my head. I was forced by experience to change my mind, and the fear of withdrawls that played a huge part in my continued using I felt, both as a result of my detox and the effect other persons, who were detoxing from small one oc 80 snorted/shot to nod off, said helped to alleviate their fear and perception of withdrawl (and also helped to alleviate their w/d symptoms) that it might be beneficial for some people to hear my experience and reevaluate their decision to continue to use based upon their desire to not experience withdrawl.
Oh alright I see what your saying and I wish it was like that for me too but unfortunately it isn't the same for everyone. My addiction is relatively minor I guess you could say (shooting a bag twice a day) and my W/D's are also relatively minor so I don't know how to explain your results. But hey if it works for you, that's wonderful (i wish my W/D's would be all in my head too lol) See, being nice on here is soooo much better than ragging on ppl. You make friends and gain respect through kindness on this site. So thank you for re-adjusting the way you posted
LOL Could not have said it better myself, but i would like to add two things not being able to fuckin sleep and my nose constantly running.
Worst thread ever award. WD's ARE real. Just because people who take 20mg of Oxycodone twice a week don't get sickness, they act as if WD isn't a real thing. And I am not quoting the OP because I didn't read his post because this thread is so fucking ridiculous. Try having an IV habit of 500mg plus a day (which is cutting it in half basically so people don't assume I am dicksizing) and then come back and see if you can type after your keyboard is littered with shit and puke.
