Debate: Hospital Birth or Midwives?

It is clear that Americans out number other foreign countries in the amount of hospital births. The cold hard truth is that OBGN’s are surgeons and that is what they are taught to do. They do not specialize in the complete needs of a pregnant mother. In reality hospitals do not care about you, all they care about it rushing you in and rushing you out.

The second you enter the hospital you are on their time and they make the decisions for you and your body. The drug they use to induce labor in turn causes the mother to experience more pain than normal, this leads to the first epidural. The epidural then contradicts the inducing drug so they give you more of that….than you experience more pain in turn causing them to give you yet even more epidural. Now the mother is completely worn down, and can I say drugged out of her mind to even experience the birth at all.
Now tell me what is the purpose of having a baby if you can’t even recall the experience. Isn’t that something nature has designed for us because in the true light of things we cannot enjoy the pleasure without the pain. Why would god make it one way for us and it’s not the way it should be?
Another fucked up thing about this snowball effect is that they 1 out of 3 times they cut(cesarean) the baby out due to stress or complications---CAUSED BY THE DRUGS! So because of this America is a leading country of cesarean sections. Doctors will accommodate to their schedule and will cut your baby out just because it’s convenient for them. It’s also become just another plastic surgery. It’s disgusting! They now offer c-section + tummy tuck ALL- IN- ONE! This is a joke! Thank you Hollywood!

Now on the other side of the debate is all the complications that could occur just before birth for being the reason you should birth in a hospital…. You could list them but the pure fact is a lot of those complications are things that occur within the hospital, how do we know that it’s not simply from the rushing and the drugs. Especially in today’s world, with today’s midwife technology. These women are trained professionals at giving birth. They focus completely on the mother and the mothers needs…the mother makes the decisions! Now doesn’t that sound natural! Because the womanly body knows what to do! Is this something that Americans neglect…the fact that this is one of the major components of our life on this earth, and life in general!

Well Europeans get it… And here is some facts about them.. they have less the half of the mother/ baby deaths than we do! Why is that?
They also have nearly NO cesarean sections.


I guess what really bothers me is today’s society having the idea we have to cheat god and that the natural way is flawed and isn’t best. Do we forget that technology has only been around for the last 150 years. How the hell have humans survived up to this point. People have babies whether or not we have drugs and technology to do it. IT ISNT ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE A C-SECTION!!!! The pure point is the experience is wasted and the mother doesn’t even know! Maybe the formula of the pain and the intense high afterwards have to go together for us to really have the life changing experience we need. Maybe the hospital experience is the exact cause why mothers really are not close with their children. (post traumatic-stress, being to doped up when baby is born, c-section, ect.) America is slowly loosing the value of life. Its called BIRTH!!!!!! It’s what keeps us going as a race.


So I just have to get that out because it just tiring to explain this to everyone at lunch and it really upset me off hearing what everyone had to say…this one mother was like “well coming from someone who has had kids” blah blah blah they cut them out of me and wouldn’t have it any other way. I don’t think we need to have the pain at all” what really pissed me off was in my head I’m thinking….that really sucks that you didn’t have the experience that you were truly supposed to have because of your own ignorance and disconnection from your own body. It could have been 10 times more wonderful for you to experience it without the drug suppressed madness.

 

The only problem here is Japan, South Korea and Singapore all have levels of hospital births on par with the US, as does the good deal of western Europe and also our neighbor Canada where the practice is nearly the same. The US's higher infant mortality rate than a lot of the western world a symptom of larger problems at hand, not from giving births in hospital. Infant mortality remains at shockingly high rates where mothers don't have access to medical care at the time if birth.

Besides, childbirth is an excruciatingly painful experience, if someone wants pain relievers why shouldn't they take them. Proportional to size at birth human females actually give birth to the largest primates.

 

that still doesnt mean we arent hindering our experience of it all... it actually hurts even worse if they induce you.

women are a bunch of pussy bitches!!! haha

 

A woman should give birth where she and her health care provider decide is best. The idea that there is one answer applicable to everyone is both inherent in the title of this thread and in the OP's exaggeration of the attitude of OB/GYN's.

Having put that topic out of the way, let me address the quoted snippet.

No, I don't forget that technology has only been around for the last 150 years. (Well, now that I think about it, the chimney, the plow, the wheel and other bits of technology have been around for a lot longer.) Nor do I forget that, prior to 150 years ago, less than half of all newborns reached adulthood and most infants died before their first birthday.

So, the evidence would seem to indicate that, yes nature is flawed and isn't the best.

(Oh, just to be clear. The change from home birth to hospital birth is not the primary cause of the decrease in infant mortality. Plumbing (another bit of technology) and clean water supplies had more to do with that than any specifically medical advance.)

 

There are also risks that come with the surgery itself - greatly increased risk of infection (anybody hear about the woman who had a C/S and got MRSA and lost her arms and legs?), breathing problems for the baby, breastfeeding difficulties, separation of mom and baby, difficulty bonding, hemorrhage, laceration of the baby, etc.

My son was born by (coerced) C-section. He had a laceration on his right buttock from the scalpel (the page of the surgical report that mentioned it had mysteriously disappeared when I got my copy, isn't that funny ) and ended up in the nursery separated from me for two days because of "wet lung" since he didn't get the fluids squeezed out during the birth, being fed artificial milk without my knowledge or permission.

Also, many hospitals are "banning" vaginal birth after cesarean. I don't know how they can even justify the attitude that they can decide what a woman can or cannot do with her vagina. But for the most part, it's not questioned. "Oh, my doctor says they don't even allow VBACs at my hospital, so it must be pretty dangerous. I'm having a repeat C-section."

I am planning homebirth VBACs for future children. I guarantee if I walked into a hospital in labor in my area, I'd walk out with an incision. The hospital here that is considered the most VBAC-friendly sees only one or two a year. A YEAR. That's just sad.

 

It's really more of an issue with the strength of the uterine wall after the original C-section than hospitals pushing C-sections. No hospital wants to be the one that told a woman it's ok to give vaginal birth after a C-section then have something go horribly wrong. I mean unless a C-section is needed, performing one just adds an extreme amount of delicate work for the doctor and puts the hospital's chance of being liable for something much higher than a normal vaginal birth.

 

The risk of uterine rupture is less than 1%. There are a lot of things more likely to happen - fetal distress, hypoxia, cord compression - and those can happen with any birth, VBAC or not. Not to mention the fact that there are so many things that can go wrong with a C-section. It makes no sense to focus on VBACs and this one tiny risk. Especially the fact that hospitals really have no right to try and ban VBACs and force women into surgery that has risks for her and her baby. A woman is at much higher risk of having a serious complication from a C-section than having a uterine rupture.

 

You act like its such a big task but you see thats where you are backwards. those surgeons would rather cut your baby out because they feel there are less complications (where they are backwards)
Its hard to do things the normal way???....its called our healthcare system in America. It really sucks. They arent going to nuture you.

you know their are many options these days if you dont want to give birth in a hospital, it doesnt mean you arent getting adequate heath care. Birthing centers are packed to the teeth with all a womans needs and doctors.

I think whats really behind this is im not debating over the health care part of this what really lights a fire in my heart is the drugging and your lack of say in the experience. I am trying to hold on to the true beauty and importance of this moment for all women. for me it comes down to the whole evolution of our species. WOMEN! what are we missing that could be a key to finding our purpose on this planet, us being the driving force of an entire race. We can be so selfish sometimes and not think about the big picture.

 

i personally beileve in midwife with the propor pre natal care

there have been so many studies to prove the health beifits too a mothor and child increase exponentially when there is less trauma and stress brought about from birth

they also show that there is a deeper level of bonding between mother and child when there is no drugs used during birth midwives can elplain both the doctor hopital options and give you some insight to the spiriual and natural occurace that birth really is

even consulting a midwife weather or not you want to use one i would encourage anyone who is thinking about having a baby or pregnant to consult a dulla or midwife

as for docs banning vaginal after c section
i doubt ther would be enough scar tissue or such to harm the baby in the event of a birthing issue

but maybe there is an issue with contractions of the cervix and such things it is a delicate organ and c sections are not natural in the first place maybe there is a more predominant risk to the infant in the event of a previous c section delivery in a vaginal birth

 

Midwife all the way. Has anybody ever seen the film The Business of Being Born? It's a really fascinating take on the business (yes, business) of birthing in the US. I live in New Zealand, and midwifery is fairly common here. I myself was born at home, with a midwife. It struck me as insane when I found out that there's such an anti-midwifery sentiment in the US, when it seems like the most logical, oldest, even safest (in many ways) birthing option. Apparently a slander campaign against midwives was launched in the 1940s and the situation for midwives in the US hasn't been the same since...

 

Hospital that bitch!

 

thats what fueled me....i watched that movie a couple days before

 

My 3 were born at home and I helped as much as I could. The first was breach and it could have been serious and/or fatal,but the midwife got him right out and everything was fine. It was scary and that's the chance one takes, but he was in the proper position shortly before he was born ,but changed unexpectedly. No complications with the other two. And no drugs.

 

I like egg laying. Just pop the fucker in the electric blanket and go about your binness

 

It's a really moving film, right? Before I watched it, I was relatively nonchalant about the birthing process, and the film kinda politicises it, as though going the midwife route is sort of a revolutionary act. Again, I'd never looked at it that way, because so many people go for midwives here.

 

i would have to agree with this.

 

I'd probably go with both.

 

Wouldn't a hospital be safer ????

 

have you not read this thread at all?


Midwives are trained nurses these days....and plus you can have birth in a birthing center where they have all the technology that a hospital does...

the point of this thread was that I don't think women should take all those drugs and ruin their experience not if its safer which at this point its not very safe to birth in a hospital in America because they will probably cut the baby out anyways....

 

God doesn't exist, your whole perspective is stupid. Embrace rationality.