How did the universe begin?

No matter? You don't need wicks tease days budding fun.

 

nothingness became awareness and wanted to experience itself in all possible ways shapes and forms,pure thought became pure light, that became matter as its vibrational rate slowed down and coalesced into all that ever was is and shall be
bright blessings

 

some great space-god took a shit and here we are

 

Okay thanks for clarifying, I was misinterpreting what you were saying initially.

 

By simple definition we can never know what was before the initial singularity event that gave rise to what we call "universe". We will never be able to perceive anything that may lie outside of "universe", and based on the definition, there is nothing outside of "uni-verse".
The more we delve into the nature of matter and the universe, the more it becomes an illusory and transitory event that we are experiencing. How much of that is composed within our perceptions and how much is actually "out there" we may never really know, for to know it would require us to step outside of it, which again by definition of universe is an impossibility.
Further compounding this paradoxical conundrum is the nagging fact that our perceptions and experiences are also an intrinsic part of "universe".

Our minds fail when we try to conceive of things that lie before the singularity event or outside of it, because all our "tools" used to understand "it" are also limited by being part of that which we would study.

The only thing we can say about it based on our observations to date is that all that is, whether manifested currently as energy or matter, always was and always will be.

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another.




I don't know man, IT just IS.

 

IT is conceived. Or rather the isness of IT.

 

i agree with him^^^:iamwithstupid::iamwithstupid:

 

and embodied therein is the paradoxical problem of observer and observed. where does one end and the other begin?
How much does our "observing" influence and give rise to that which is "observed"?

 

Actually it is not a genuine paradox. In terms of the absolute everything is an abstraction. The mind is naturally abstract and able to produce corridors of refraction.

Reality of itself is non local nor is it remote. We share these same qualities as our minds can be viewing distant locals while standing still and further we share our thoughts. There are no discrete systems.

 

true, the observer vs observed is not a true paradox. yet there is an interplay present there that as of yet still defies complete description or explanation, if one exists.


As far as their being no discrete systems, isn't that what I said in my initial post in this thread. Everything is part of "universe" and comprises the system we refer to as "universe" including us and all we perceive and think. Thought itself is also a part of "universe".

 

I assume God decided to create it.

 

We look for the operation that transcends form. We have already detected the law of conservation, the problem is we somehow think it doesn't apply to us.

Well yes you did but you didn't apply to the situation above. If there are no discrete systems you have no limits within the universe but we do have conceptions and these are manifested in embodiment. Every thing has a body and every body has a name.

 

I love how you word things.
succinct yet maintaining enough ambiguity to make refutation or challenge difficult.

It always provides me with amusement and provokes thought how you and I often will have the same intention yet approach and convey it from seemingly opposite ends of the spectrum. You often force me to alter my starting perspective in considering some of the topics we discuss. Thankyou, we all need to step outside of our comfortable viewpoints from time to time.
Always a pleasure sir.

I certainly would enjoy an evening sitting around talking with you in person.
:cheers2:

 

The feeling is mutual.

 

I like the theory being kicked around now of two dimensions touching and then bouncing off each other. They say the fifth dimension completely collapsed when the other two came together (the big crunch). And then the rebound re-created the fifth dimension and started the heat up, and expansion of our universe (the big bang) from it's compact/dormant form at the same time.

How do they come up with this stuff?

 

The universe came into existence when someone came up with the idea it existed and conviced someone else it was there.

 

i really cant get my head around there being a beggining of anything, i can grasp the fact of there being an infinite chain of big bangs though, if we cant get round the concept of infinity then the "where did it all begin" question will perplex us for eternity. On the other hand if there was a beginning the only thing that could possibly make sense to me is that it appeared out of nothing, boom! that was it and here we are.

 

It's a great question. I don't know, what caused the big bang? Who knows.

I may be wrong here but I was under the impression that the notion of a single universe was antiquated, and reality is most likely a 'multiverse' consisting of all the possible worlds that could exist.

 

Hhahaha if you don't want to be a god, then die!

No multiverse. Multi-what? lol Universe is in conception,-- open to all possibilities. . Still a universe. The uni is really infin, but we love limits so we give one.

Dope is ope, but no absolute. Really. Conceived all up? NO. Self is ours. Space is the base.

If the universe was conscious, we'd be 'one' with it at once. Future is not determined.

 

At once and again "Dejavu".

Absolute-quantum-physical

Thought-word-deed

Gravity is magnanimous intent.

Every probable self has a home.