2c-p is not to be fucked with lightly.

I really need to edit this crazy shit when I have time. You don't gotta mention it, I know it's very poorly written/organized and probably repeats many things. I must have been tweakin more than I thought. I hate this shit it does the same type thing to verbal speech too.


I REALIZE THIS IS LONG BUT I THOUGHT IT NEEDED TO BE SAID I KNOW I FUCKED UP WRITING IT BECAUSE IM A LITTLE HIGH. Please don't try to come at me with any kind of bullshit telling me i shouldn't have done whatever because its not of any value. It's pointless at this point. Believe it or not I know what I'm talking about, I try not to talk about something if I don't think I do.

This is what I do know…2c-p should not be fucked with lightly. You do not want to take too much of this one! It’s not like other RC’s. Hindsight is 20/20…trust me it can overwhelm even an experienced tripper like myself. I thought I could handle any trip you could throw at me, I was wrong. I’m not some dumbass who had a bad experience because he thought I could do as big a dose as I felt like.

2cp is one hell of a drug, and too much of it can just be hell. I've done a ten strip, over a ten strip, dmt, shrooms, k, k + shrooms, etc and 2cp is the only psych that I ever had extremely difficult experiences like from 2cp. I would not eyeball 2c-p. I have done it too many times maybe snorting (or smoking)really tiny amounts (that wouldn’t register on the scale so I thought it wasn’t much) and try to titrate the dose and when you think you've taken enough, it just keeps getting more intense and sneaks up on you no matter how you ingest it, and by the time you realize that was too much the way you spaced the doses out can make that just the beginning of a long crazy ride. This shit made me hear shit, peoples thoughts and I couldn't tell if they really said it or not. Everything can become very intense. One time I went to the store to get some cigs and shit and never made it there, and its on the other side of my block...not far at all and thought I heard someone talking on a PA system or megaphone and got paranoid and hid my shit. 2c-p is not to be fucked with lightly and i probably won't fuck with it in the future. I don't like strong auditory hallucinations that I can't tell from reality, those and this weird crazy flanged buzzing noise are unique to 2c-p. Does that happen to anyone else because that shit kinda freaked me out. 2cp with friends is weird and can be fun but doing it alone I can't do, no other contact to keep me somewhat grounded.

Shulgin labeled 16 an overdose. I'd do 8 or 10 and see how that is Next time try a little more. If you can make it beyond 16mg and handle it then your probably okay but 2cp can be unpredictable. Re-dosing is risky especially with 2c-p and is not as user friendly as most psychedelics. I would recommend against snorting and especially smoking. Nobody knows what the correct dosages for these routes and trying to titrate doses…don’t. That was where I fucked up. Also I think my scale may have not been accurate at such tiny doses and they were actually a lot bigger. Even when measuring bigger 2c-I doses you put enough to make it say like 20mg, after a few moments it would start going up until it said maybe 26 or 27mg. Which one is the real weight, that’s a big difference for P. Be careful with 2c-p it can and will grab you by the balls and doing too much isn’t fun you can get delusional and that can be dangerous if theres no one to watch you. I can easily see somebody doing something really crazy on this shit. I’ve tried pcp and it its a hell of a drug for sure too, that shits crazy. There were fairly auditory effects, flanging type shit and hearing music thats not there but I always knew it was the pcp. People do crazy shit on pcp I hear, but having done both I can see 2c-p far more likely to do that. Too much 2c-p can cause pretty bad delusions and set and setting is even more important with this chem because of this. Also things going on in your life and whats on your mind can greatly affect the experience. I fucked up there too with the mindset.
Most psyches ive tried are pretty user friendly if you take a bit too much, they’re pretty forgiving. I found out the hard way this shit is NOT forgiving, its not like acid. Thinking you’re gonna die is one thing. I never thought I was gonna die on 2c-p, I thought I actually died. Thinking you just died is not fun, at all. It for the first time ever hit me with exactly what that meant, that it was over right then, and how I wasn't ready. I actually completely believed it, it was as real as anything could be and I cannot even describe the emotions or feelings. It was the scariest feeling I have ever had period, I’ve been shot at(very closely missed my head) and that wasn't shit compared, but when I think about this it still give me chills. Even on a ten strip of good blotter I always knew the effects were because of a drug. This stuff is somehow different from other phens and rc’s and from psychs in general. Some people that aren’t as experienced could totally lose it and do something really stupid. Not everyone has eaten ten strips and mega doses of various psychs, I have tripped extremely hard many times where I did whatever amount or combo that people thought was crazy and never too difficult of an experience until 2cp. I had a gram of this 2c-p, and used it many times but the doses are so small I had barely touched the amount. I decided for me it was best that leave this one alone, I had seen everything it can do (I think) and don’t like what it can do. I ended up throwing it away, it had cost me a lot of money but there was no way I was going to sell this shit to people and have an incident and be responsible.
This stuff can be interesting and the effects on thought process are strong. If you’re going to play with it make sure your scale isn’t dodgy (theres more than one reason I think mine was). Start off with 8 or 10 and test the waters and do a little higher next time maybe. Someone not experienced with psychs should start off at zero milligrams and stop there. 6-16mg is the dosage range in pihkal, so don’t jump in headfirst with 20 when he labeled 16 an “overdose”. You do not want to “overdose” on this shit. Don’t try redosing this shit. Having some benzos around is a good idea incase you fuck up and a better idea if you do decided to do it alone. Benzos at the right dose will stop even this shit in its tracks, atypical antipsychotics that function as 5-HT2a antagonists (such as geodon) will also take you straight to baseline too with the right dose, I know from experience, if you have drugs like that you could probably be a bit more liberal with your dose.

And yeah it’s that dumbass who decided to smoke 2c-p is telling you to be careful with it. I’ve dosed many chems this way. If I can handle ten or almost 20 hits of acid, I wouldn't think 2c-p could throw me anything i couldn't deal get through, even if I did do a bit too much. I’m not an idiot, I’ve done all the research on these chems and based on what I knew I thought 2c-p should be no different. So please don't come at me with any bullshit about how I'm the one that needs to be careful with drugs...I know my body and limits and have done ALOT of research on drugs believe it or not.., now we know exactly what this stuff can do. The amount of stress I was under at this point because of legal issues made a very bad mindset though. Anybody can fuck up…you should be glad it was me, most anybody else could not have handled fucking up the way I did and at best they would have helped put 2c-p and other rc’s on the radar, and at worst something really bad.

2C-P caused a seizure once and I was okay then everything got real in every way then I started to realize whats going on again like comeing backk from a dissociative trip in a way. I was then told that I had had a seizure. I didn't do any more than any other time and the trip itself wasn't really difficult. I'm trying to smoke in small increments of 2mg. Scale couldnt decide how much it actually was, i could have ended up doing way more than I even knew but not so much to be seizure worthy. I know I never took some really massive overdose or anything. From what I know halogenated or alkyl substituted phenethylamines (this does not include 2c-t-7) were fairly safe physically in overdose. I’ve taken a heaping scoop using my finger of 2c-I and had a blast just extremely intense. 2c-t-7 which I know is not as safe I did something similar and just tripped way too hard. Both of these times I truly wasn’t using caution because of the same reason that caused to to behave impulsively in ways not even drug related. With 2cp I couldn’t have taken THAT much too much, i definitely wasn't cutting out fat lines, eating big scoops, or whatever. 2c-p is the only drug that has caused anything like a seizure, and I’ve done many drugs I wonder if my mind just couldn't take anymore stress. This stuff is some crazy shit people, be careful. If this stuff isn't scheduled then PCP definitely shouldn't be either.

 

I can't decide of this is a poorly disguised bragfest.

 

That hurt to read

I respect that you're trying to warn people not to be foolish with dosing 2c-p but editing/revising your epic tale of redundancy would have been smart.

Nobody wants to read a wall of text like that.

Smoking any RC is a terrible idea. If orally ingesting these chemicals can result in health complications, imagine what it's doing to the tissue inside your lungs.

 

thanks for the info, especially as I've been curious regarding this chem. Have you had any regular strength trips, & what were the negative side effects? How was snorting & smoking? I'm not sure on how many times you had an OD? is this the only time?

Also, maybe you should wait until the comedown is over & you've had a chance to integrate before denouncing this chemical so many times. You have quite a bias (
understatement) after going through such a bad trip. at the same time, the seizures definitely sound like an important thing to warn ppl about. you should definitely send your experience report in to Erowid.org, btw; they don't have any 2C-P reports as it is, & they'd be even better than hipforums at getting the warning out & helping harm reduction! Good luck dude w/the integration of this garbagio-journey into the mental inferno.

 

What exactly would I be bragging about? Sorry I can't see it, it's not me bragging about whatever you think I am, it is what it is. Poorly disguised? Why in the hell would I go out of my way to write all that so I can brag about whatever you think I am and try to word it to look like something else? Why would I want to brag about something on an internet forum, I could understand someone bragging to their friends but why would it matter to me what people think if they're really just a screenname. I don't write a bunch of bullshit on here to brag, just shit that really happened and experiences I've had. Someone mentioned on another thread doing 20mg of 2cp and another person how they like to do 60mg of 2c-e and this post is about why 2cp you don't wanna do too much, and how that could happen and what can happen when you do...because i've had it happen. I posted this in it's own thread because I didnt wanna put all of this in that thread like that.

I think I said more than once, don't come at me with comments like that. What are you accomplishing by doing so?

If this is how its gonna be i'll just delete the whole thing and sum it like this: it's gonna suck if you do too much.

For the first thing you said: yeah, your right that's what happens when I get too high, do the same thing when I talk verbally sortof too. Maybe I'll revise it later im sure I could say the same thing with a LOT less words.

About smoking RC's having health consequences...it's gottta be better than meth, and cigarettes aren't great either plus the dosage is tiny. It's not a great idea though for other reasons that I mentioned.

 

Yes I've had regular strength trips and had good experiences it just seemed unpredictable and it was likely to be not enough or end up being too much. and snorting and smoking took took way less material and was even more unpredictable. As for how many times i've had an OD? Depends on what you consider to be an OD, i never needed to go to the hospital. This isn't really an experience port about a particular trip its just my general experience with it when too much is taken, and how it's not like most psyches that will let you get away with doing too much.

im gonna see if I can revise it when I feel like fucking with it, that shits gonna be a job...it's like that because that's what meth does.

 

I feel you, I like to rant and ramble as well. I just really try to orchestrate my writing when given the opportunity to do so. Breaking up your post into small 'bite-size' snippets generally gets a better reception than paragraphs (unfortunately that's what the world is accustomed to now).

The problem with smoking rc's is nobody knows if it's worse than meth or not. There's no studies on how 2c-anything affects the body, let alone lungs.

There's a good chance it's much safer than meth, and I agree the dosage is minuscule in comparison. Not to mention RC vendors generally don't cut their product as opposed to meth dealers.

Just trying to help ya out bro, thanks for the warnings about 2c-p. The duration alone is enough to keep me away.

 

yeah i don't "want" to rant or ramble and that post was something else lol, unfortunately it's a side effect of being way too high, if I would have been sober I could have conveyed the same thing better, with a lot less words. better keep my mouth shut when I'm around someone who need not know I'm high for sure cuz imagine the equivalent except in verbal speech.

 

I only had one good experience with 2cp, and the rest consisted of an extremely light trip with bad stomach cramps for 16 hours.
Get some 2ct7 instead lol.

 

Two things...

1. Get a new, better scale.

2. You would have already known all this you're warning us of if you'd read anything anyone else had written about their experiences with 2C-P.

 

In actual fact that's not quite true. Most water soluble chemicals are far safer to smoke than say for example plant matter, they are absorbed completely by the alveoli straight into your blood stream rather than depositing in the lungs. It's an interesting fact and in all honesty I didn't find that out myself until looking a little deeper into the subject a few weeks ago, as I previously thought the same as you.

Still, I wouldn't smoke the 2C-*s as I've heard of many reports of the dosage varying wildly when smoked, e.g. one person smokes 1.5x their usual dose and has a mild trip, while another smokes 1-2mg and has the most intense trip they've ever had - dosing orally/nasally is far easier to titrate.

Anyway, at OP, this is a research chemical which can be extremely active at doses of under 10mg, you have a crappy scale, what do you honestly expect? Not trying to attack you or anything but this isn't really news, something that is active at such a small dose and lasts for such a long time should always be treated with caution - dosing something like this without a correctly functioning scale is asking for trouble. I'd even say it's worse than eyeballing as I've compared my eyeballing to a scale previously and the most I was out was 6mg, while your scale has been out 7mg+ - a bad scale is almost worse than no scale at all and if you're going to continue using chemicals active as such low doses then you definitely need a new one. Alternatively you could try liquid measurement.

I can understand the post though and I don't see any problem with rambling a bit, I do the same when I'm high/tripping, or when I'm detailing experiences. But yeah, in short, in future, get an accurate scale or avoid the low dose chems like 2C-P, MDPV etc

 

hey don't listen to these clowns. I remeber your smokin this stuff we talked through pm alot. haha i had some pretty intense trips with this myself. I've done a few grams. I've moved along to some of the other 2c's. glad to see ur alrite. alot of ppl were wondering. welcome home hahaha

 

...Seriously get over yourself. Half of your post was about "don't tell me this, don't tell me that" followed by "I've done this and I am a bad ass hardcore tripper, so you better listen to me".

I mean it's all good you want to share a bad trip and send a word of caution, but shit happens in this department store and that's all it is...

 

This thread has done nothing but make me want to try 2c-P more than I've ever wanted to try it. lol

 

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Is what I meant to say primarily in my post. I can't read that shit without my eyes watering.

You're bringing me to tears candykid.

 

just curious, have you ever tried 2ce candykid?

i'm pretty sure i could "fuck with" 2cp just as i've "fucked with" 2ce, because i don't do it lightly. i don't snort or smoke any amount, let alone eyeballed or poorly weighed amounts. i eat lower doses that are precisely weighed. i'd do the same with 2cp.
yeah, i know, i'm pretty badass

have you tried 2ce or 2cb? what do you think about those, as far as stomach cramps or nausea (and the trip itself)?

which ones?

 

you wouldnt happend to be an Irish Korean?..

 

Never done b or e. Would do it once if the opportunity arose, but not all that interested.
Honestly have a mild interest in nbome mesc. right now.

 

I do too, but i'm really interested in MDMA right now.

 

How much you done this summer?
I'm going on a break for a while. Done a fair amount in place of other psychedelics this summer.
Fall's my fav. time to trip though, and I think the nbome mesc. has some potential.