Native American chief's response to the BP oil spill

Interesting video about Native American Chiefs response to the golf oil spill. My only problem is that the video doesnt address any solutions.

If the emdbedding doesnt work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vWV2v--5u8

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Hopi Prophesy- - Listen hard enough he covers many of mans environmental, and humanitarian fuck -ups in the name of progress
We werent paying attention from the beginning- Is it too late??

http://wimp.com/nativeamerican/

 

No offence, but, man, I wish Native American's would not speak like they were the chosen ones.
Yeah, please do talk about the environment, but not like you know more than any others and you have knowledge nobody else has.
It gets damn annoying.
Who told that guy America was coming to an end soon?
It's crazy talk.

Yeah, please bring the world some answers rather than being conspiracy nuts - it is damn sight more constructive.

/rant.

 

Yeah, I hear ya odon** - but like I said it is interesting
--not facts- -

I guess they got the right , like anyone else to say what they think-and believe it* * * I take it for whats its worth- interesting,but not backed up by anything but peyote. -but>> what if he,s right??
just sayin I try to keep a somewhat open mind with this stuff
jjack :willy_nilly:

 

i understand the oil spill is a terrible thing but why now i mean the oil spill is not the only disaster that we seen happen to the environment there has been plenty to me they speaking a little late in the game. i mean its like lets use this opportunity to get some face time then after its said and done nothing happens and nothing changes..................

 

They got what right? The end of America? Mother earth turning against us? Alot of what was in your video was hindsight, and like an astrological forcast: so vague it could be applied at any time to any event.
Lets also not forget not all Native Americans are so enviromentally aware, and have their SUV's etc too...

I understand they have the right to say what they think...scrub that, he has the right to say what he thinks.
It's just when one person speaks for a whole community.

I'm sorry I did not find that particular video that interesting (ok, maybe a little).

 

Even peyote isn't backing them up necessarily, since the chief was for the Lakota, which mainly live in South Dakota, not the Southern US where peyote is traditionally used.

In response to those who say they are using this to get air time...theres 243 views (in 4 days), hardly getting a mass audience.

At the same time, his message is obviously needed, sorta helpful that way. At the same time, I find it pretty obvious at this point in the environmental crisis. I mean, he is pretty much saying what many humans who know a decent amount about the environment & the economy & human greed would say. The best part is simply being able to hear their opinion, & realize the original inhabitants' descendants agree with the more advanced scientific warnings we are getting about coming into "balance" with Earth.

 

Nobody has said that.

 

They used what they needed and did not waste resources. My republican friend said when reminded of "manifest destiny" --the taking of all of the country and the breaking of treaties--Well, they weren't using it--so we took it". Does no one think long term about unchecked population and capitalism?

 

I guess enough did to suggest it was "there way"...but they are all still human, you know. Who is to know what North America would be like if Europeans did not arrive. The optimist in me wants to believe that the majority would still be continuing as the cliches go. The cynic in me thinks there would be casinos everywhere.

 

I need a pony..

 

They had no use for casinos or money,for that matter. They traded for what they didn't have. The Tachi NA's around my home town had the biggest lake west of the Mississippi to fish out of,antelope ,deer,Elk,ect to hunt. Why would they need to accumulate anything. The weather is fairly mild around there and gets hot for a couple of months in the summer. When I was growing up there, they were ,of course relegated to some shit alkali- ridden soil that wouldn't grow anything and they lived in absolute poverty. I recall hearing what sounded like a train driving on the road and seeing a car driving on the rims because they couldn't afford tires. Now they have a casino and make money hand over. But frankly ,I don't really think they are better off mentally.

 

Once upon a time neither did Europeans.
We once lived a simple life.
We just moved on.
That's the point.
Yes, I appreciate how some, if not a majority once lived.
It was through necessity for the most part (not trying to save mother nature).
If indigenous population grew (into the hundreds of millions) the less that would be an option.
All the problems we accumulated would have probably have manifested there too.
I'm talking about how they would have evolved, not how they may have once lived.
Some obviously want to make money and do precisely what everybody else wants to do: Get a job, earn money etc etc.
It's human nature.
They are not chosen, special people living in a moral vacuum.
That's all I meant.

 

I understand. I just think they were better off living a nativist life. Believe me when I say there are still very poor tribes. Drive thru the Southwest and check out the Navahos.

 

We all probably were. Life aint as simple as that, though, imho.
There are still poor tribes where I live too. They live in council estates.

 

Cloud is right, we do not respect mother earth enough. we just take. and as long as people have a lust for power and money, and having more than they need, we will continue to disrespect our wonderful planet.

 

What is a council estate?

 

The BP spill is the best chance in decades for conservationists to spread their message in the public eye. The worst isolated environmental disaster in American history it may be, but the best way to salvage something from the situation would be to use the massive media coverage to incite environmental fervor in a populace that rarely thinks about the impact their lifestyles are having on the world around us.

Many of them DO know more than the average citizen. Like you said, plenty of them fit the model of the standard consumer American, but the most vocal of them are those that know the value of our beautiful places through first hand experience with the more traditional elements of their culture.
Many people I talk to who feel no need for an environmental agenda have never set foot in a National Park, but our wild places do a better job of describing their own value than words ever can.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Zjp2-zTCA"]YouTube- Tricky - 'Council Estate'

In the UK, housing estates have become prevalent since World War II, as a more affluent population demanded larger and more widely spaced houses coupled with the increase of car usage for which terraced streets were unsuitable.
Housing estates were produced by either local corporations or by private developers. The former tended to be a means of producing public housing leading to monotenure estates full of council houses and therefore known as "council estates".
In addition, the problems incurred by the early attempts at high density tower-block housing turned people away from this style of living. The resulting demand for land has seen many towns and cities increase enormously in size for only moderate increases in population. This has been largely at the expense of rural and greenfield land. Recently, there has been some effort to address this problem by banning the development of out-of-town commercial developments, and encouraging the reuse of brownfield or previously developed sites for residential building. Nevertheless the demand for housing continues to rise, and in the UK at least has precipitated a significant housing crisis.
In the UK, some of the post war New towns were constructed en masse from housing estates rather than as organic growth from a population centre.

 

I accept and respect that. I'm just saying lets not put these people on a pedestal and lets remember they are human beings. There are just as many other people who care about the environment etc. It just feels sometimes people treat these guys as gods chosen people, and that's just ridiculous. I've made my point I hope.

To move things forward a little. I wonder how "they" feel about nuclear power.