18 mg 2ce for 117 lb female = rough experience

My first 2ce experience was very rough/difficult. i went into it with lots of experience using: marijuana, mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, DMT, 2CB, Mescaline and some other exotics.

It came on neither fast nor slow relative to the time i ate the powder but once it did start it came on hard. Massive, uncomfortable body load with projectile purging. Interesting given that my stomach had almost nothing in it other than a bit of juice, water and bile. No big deal though - this is part of some trips.

As usual for me, once the initial purge was over, the trip really picked up in intensity.

Unfortunately, i do not remember much in the way of visuals other than some open eye distortions indicating a psychedelic state. What hit me so hard and made it a difficult experience was the fact that it opened a door to dark emotional lability within my head and it also removed my inhibitions.

So, here's a middle aged, experienced tripper, who has abstained from demon alcohol for years feeling psychedelically drunk but in a very dark/mean way.

i knew what was going on and used my difficult tripping skills that entire day to try to minimize the damage. i told my husband i was having dark, mean thoughts but that it was the chemical and if i snapped at him not please bear with me.

Unfortunately, i went into a chat room (different site) and rode the emotional lability wave right into proffering physical threats.

This was a crazy day and i felt horrible afterwards. No physical hangover and no feeling of being poisoned. The drugs were clean. It was my reaction to such a high dose and my thoughts/behaviors that made me feel so rotten afterwards. i have had a lifelong problem with anger and the work is ongoing. i hate being reminded that i am at a much more primitive level than i thought, or at least deeper levels of my (sub)conscious are.


AFTERWARDS: About 3 days afterwards i had the strongest incident of HPPD/Flashback (i hate these terms too - please bear with me) i have EVER experienced. While having taken nothing for 3 days i begin to feel the 2ce state decscending upon me during a stressful moment. Once it descends, it stays for hours and it is the fullblown state. Emotional lability and meanness, visual distortions/movement, etc. Extremely disconcerting. Woke up the next morning normal.


Actually, i am crazy enough to say that i WILL try 2ce again, but next time (which will be awhile from now) i will probably try something more like 9-10 mg. My sense is that with proper dosing (for me) this material might have some value.

Peace & Love,
Spice Cat
-Brrrp!

 

Damn, that's crazy. 2ce definitely has a very VERY dark edge to it, but I've never known anyone who have experienced such anger and hostility as a result of 2ce. I'm wondering if you'd react better to a higher dose or a lower dose. At lower doses, it may not affect you as strongly, but you will still be "here" and still be capable of expressing whatever emotions you happen to be feeling, as opposed to with higher doses, where you would be too far gone for any emotions to be able to control your actions. I know I wouldn't have even been able to express any kind of emotion during my 50-60mg trips. Of course, we're all different and you have to find the right dose for yourself. Good luck and I hope you can end up having at least one positive experience with 2ce, because it really is an amazing chem, imo.

 

Hmmmm... I would try it again once more at the 16 Mgs and up range before lowering the dose like that. 2ce has a steep dose/response curve and going below 10 Mgs is a bit drastic I think after one use. The set and setting could have been off and sometimes these chemicals are just erratic in their effects.

 

Indeed. The dose response curve is supposed to be something like 2x intensity every 2mg after the 15mg mark. At least, that's what I've read in a few places.

 

Fascinating debate gentlemen. Remember, 117 pound female here. Do you think what you are saying holds for a female (have heard males and females have rather different responses to RC's) of light weight?

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Spicey Cat
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Not sure. I'm only about 135lbs, and I once had to tripsit someone who was tripping on 25mg while I was tripping on 50mg, and he weighed about 30lbs more than I did, at that time. I guess it depends on the individual.

 

I think 16 Mgs is a great dose considering your weight and the experience with other psychedelics you have. If you were puking out rainbows and lost consciousness in a sea of fractals I may suggest differently but I think it was just a physical reaction to a 'poison' your body is not used to and that may have triggered some of the psychological symptoms as well.

I've had friends puke on mephedrone, ketamine and various other drugs on their first trials and then fine subsequent experiences. I was dry heaving on mushrooms my first time. My only advice is don't move a whole lot on the comeup , lay down and listen to music, watch a movie, etc.

 

laying still for the first hour after dosing is the best thing i've found for nausea on the comeup of 2ce. unfortunately i haven't found anything that gets rid of the stomach ache on the comedown (for me).

i told you before to maybe take 12 mg or so, but even 14 mg would be much more mild than 18. i don't really think weight is much of a contributing factor when it comes to psychedelics - it's more to do with the expression of receptors (that the drug binds to) in your brain. it's feasible that females could have fewer receptors, but i've read about females on here doing higher doses of 2ce than i'd be comfortable taking, even after tripping on it like 20 times.

the last time i ate 2ce was 17 mg for a concert. i was (not surprisingly) in a great mood, and i recall feeling SUPER DUPER relaxed and content.
but i also recall times arguing with my girlfriend when i was on 2ce, and i'm sure i got kinda loud and mean
so even though 2ce does seem to have this dark edge to it, i think set and setting still play a large role

let us know if/when you try it again! and i'd love to hear any questions you have about it

 

what Ive read about 2ce is that it has tendency to cause psychosomatic nausea?
I think this reason is also why Stolaroff kept the substance in such a high value. I think he wrote that there's no hiding from false and destructive behavior patterns when 2ce melts the ego(?) where these patterns are rooted.

If I understand right you mean that 2ce does not save one when revealing the dark falseness that can lay sleeping in human beings psyche?
I would be very very surprised if there is a psychedelic substance that *causes* dark-false-aggressive behavior? (like alcohol).

whats also interesting is that people have had stronger experiences from 10mg than from 20mg. I guess like with traditional psychedelics, less is more many times.

If i ever decide to try the substance, I think I have to understand that I call for an deep cool analysis. Sounds good though.
I believe would vomit all the things I have done that I don't like.I know already I would vomit long. just like cacti.

but hey sorry for writing so much about substance i have not tried.
(especially if I have wrong assumptions)
I dunno if I ever will try it ...maybe maybe not.

 

Psychosomatic or not, just about every material makes me purge. Just comes with the territory for me with drugs. i can ABSORB them just fine, but i cannot seem to DIGEST all the material. The gel cap, the paper, some of the powder (once i am tripping ballz) or syrup always seems to come up whenever i dose myself correctly.

Thus, it does not bother me. It was the negative lack of inhibition - the bringing out of my dark, mean, rude and ugly side that really surprised me. i am NOT a control freak and i do understand and acknowledge that it exists. i even know why. But, i am middle aged and experienced. i was really surprised it came to the fore.

So, a repeat performance is definately called for, purge bucket in hand, and very careful mental set preparation before hand. Still not sure on dose and the timing is still (at least) months out. But, i love knowing that it's available to explore at my leisure.

Peace & Love,
Spicey Cat
Brrrp

 

Yeah I took 20 mgs of 2-ce thinking it was 2c-i when eaten, quickly realized it wasnt 2c-i because i didnt get that feeling as if im rolling on the come up. But it didnt kick in for a couple hours for me until I climbed a tree and hung and swang and changed up my equilibream, shortly after I began feeling a quite intense body buzz if you will. The trip last a long time for me, good visuals, but my friend said he had to bail "he was not feelin it" left me by myself so I just went and tried laying in bed, and at this point of my trip, I too was having some mildly dark thoughts compared to my normal mindstate. When I closed my eyes I kept seeing this clown thing with a giant grin on its face moving in circles and its teeth were like shark teeth. It made me not want to sleep. But overall I likes 2c-e and will for sure go for it again sometime.

 

Wow, that doesn't sound like very much fun at all Are you absolutely positive it was 2c-e? For me, the only thing that sounds remotely reminiscent of 2c-e is the body load and gastro-distress. Everything else almost sounds to me like an entirely different chem all together. Yikes...

I don't weigh twice as much as you, but I normally dose 36mg or higher and bump 10-15 later on if needed. I find that for 2c compounds, the user's weight doesn't have quite as much to do with the response as your actual brain chemistry (on that particular day!) does. Nonetheless, I can sympathize as I am one who also experiences unique reactions to certain chems so maybe you are just extra sensitive. Regardless, I'm glad to hear you aren't going to let one difficult experience hinder you from trying it again. Like TNS said, if you find a dose that's right for you 2c-e is amazing and worth it in every respect.

Good luck and good vibes coming your way.