oops sorry, looks like the movie was removed from the link I originally posted due to complaints. It might actually load quicker on this link: http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Preloader
Hmmm, I'm not sure. This smells of conspiracy theory to me. I'm not America's biggest fan, but I'd rather look to objective truth to see what's wrong in the world....
But I don't understand, if there was a Boeing 757 who flew into the Pentagon there must at least be a passenger list? And why don't we here about family who are missing their relatives? I suppose the relatives must have said goodbye to them on the airport that morning. And now we don't here confused stories? I don't know what to believe anymore. Mad world.
AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard. CREW Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot. David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day." Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son. Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis. Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis. Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant. PASSENGERS Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine. Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California. M.J. Booth Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc. William Caswell Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Eddie Dillard Charles Droz Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas. Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham. Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham. Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way." Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot. Dee Flagg Richard Gabriel Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm. Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California. Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department. Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company. Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said. Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California. Yvonne Kennedy Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager. Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan. Norma Langsteuerle Dong Lee Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm. Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia. Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles. Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer. Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems. Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation. Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer. John Sammartino Diane Simmons George Simmons Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work. Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York. Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society. Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia. Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra. John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland. Vicki Yancey Shuyin Yang Yuguag Zheng
One of the things that bugs me the most about all these conspiracy theories is that they're just so fucking implausible. Not because our governments aren't capable of this sort of deception and duplicity, but because they're capable of much worse! I've read one theory where, when presented with a list of the dead, the theorist then concludes that Flight 77 was landed at an airbase somewhere and the passengers executed. I mean what the fuck?!? If the US government was brutal and evil enough to plan the events of 911, then you'd think they'd do it right! Why blow up the Pentagon? Why not just fly the fucking jet into the side of it, even if it was emtpy and piloted remotely for the sake of convenience? Why hit the Pentagon at all??? It's not like the twin towers would've failed to have an impact! Furthermore, if the thinking behind this alleged conspiracy was to provide a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan, and tightening homeland security, why go to such huge lengths to pull of such a complicated plan? I mean the twin towers were on film from all angles, for fucks sake! If I was the US government and I wanted to stage an atrocity that would galvanise public opinion behind the neo-right for decades to come, I'd plant a small nuke in a tactically unimportant city and let if go boom. Simple, chilling, extremely difficult to prove it wasn't a terrorist, quite plausible to argue Al Qaeda could've obtained a nuke from one of the old Soviet states..... absolutely foolproof, easy to pull off, and delivers the terror that the US goverment allegedly want in spades, and then some. But nooooooooooooooo. The US government allegedly opts for an elaborate and insanely complicated hoax involving four jumbo jets and two high-publicity locations. Bloody ridiculous.
I have to agree with the Doc on this really. I think most of these conspiracy theories are themselves started by the state to discredit those who fall prey of them. That way people who campaign against the war for instance can be made to look silly by the fact they focus on conspiracy. At they end of the day there are plenty of questions that need answering, such as how and why these acts were allowed to happen so easily. Why the Bin Ladens were flown out so fast, why the US/UK isn't at war with Saudi Arabia, whose job is it to start conspiracy theories etc etc. These are legitimate questions that are serious enough imho.
But why never ever mention the plane crashing into the Pentagon again after 9/11? It just seems strange to me. When Joel showed it to me we spoke about it for ages after and I was in complete awe. Maybe it is conspiracy and maybe it is justy a shock tactic that evokes paranoia. Still it does seem weird not to even mention that plane crashing as well as the Two Towers plane crash.
The twin towers are a far more emotive target for a start. It's an attack on a civillian population. The Bush administration can whip up a lot more support for its imperialist policies by using the rhetoric of the twin towers than it can by mentioning a secretive military installation that was attacked....
But don't both involve people. OK I can see that the twin towers being hit killed more people that the pentagon and I'm not denying that but still both did involve people (as I say not the the same grade) and both were hit on the same day. I can't see why you would just not mention it ever again, same can be said for the Pensyvania aplane crash also. Not only one plane crashed on that day but 3.
But it's not the government that don't talk about it - it's the media. They lose interest. Footage of planes flying into skyscrapers makes better tv.
That just about sums it up, I think that there is a kind of conspiracy ... but it isn't the conspiracy that is being plastered all over the net. There is definitely more to 9/11 that we are being told and all the other hype just discredits the people who are trying to get to the bottom of what really happened. We may never know the whole truth ... but whatever the truth is, the whole affair has been used to aggressively forward the agenda of an imperialist regime ... almost in the same way that Hitler used the burning of the Reichstag to clamp down on civil liberties in Nazi Germany. Just think ... Nearly all the political topics that we discuss in this forum (from Iraq to National Identity cards) are somehow related to the events of that day.
I don't believe in conspiracy theories full stop. Micheal Moores' film Fahrenheit 9/11 is full of similar conspiracy theories such as him trying to imply that people within the Suadi regime carried out the 9/11 attacks. What Micheal Moore doesn't know is that Osama bin Laden hates the Suadi royal family. But then thats not surprising as Micheal Moore is a film maker not an investigative journalist. On the Pentagon conspiracy of course it was a plane that crashed into it. It was recorded at the time as a plane crash and also planes traveling at very high speed tend to disintergrate on hitting concrete buildings! No wonder little trace was left of the plance especially as it exploded on impact.
Yeah Treehouse, most Saudi's actually hate the royal family...including half the members of that royal family! Do keep up!
Well I suggest you read this book Zonk, it will enlighten you as to why Osama bin Laden attacked America. Not because he gives a damn about the Palestinians but because he wants to set up a new Islamic Empire in the Middle East and two of his obsticles to that are the presence of American troops in Suadi Arabia and the Suadia Royal Family whom he hates. I just read it at the local library. It also demolishes every claim made by the Palestinians against Isreal.
I never said that wasn't the case did I you plum! My point you idiot was that the Royal Family has hundreds of people in it many of whom are opposed to their rulers! Like I said before...do keep up!
I find most conspiricy theories unbelievable too..... The powers that govern the western world do so in far too much "slightly organised chaos" way to manage a conspiracy on the scale of some that you hear of. However, I would find it easy to believe (in fact firmly believe) that there is a lot of american money in many of the schemes of these so called terrorists. They wouldn't go to the lenghts of actually carrying out these plots, but they will fund some twit who will do it. In this age of post-russian threat america needs a new world scale enemy - america needs an enemy. And with one the people unite to back the government that is seen to confront the enemy the best. And as far as politicians morality goes remember that not too long ago there were some that were willing to condone public hanging of black people to further their political career.
