obama - business as usual, the end of the dream

By whom? Osama Bin Laden by any chance? Oh, what a suprise.

It IS Islamic terrorism. But remember Islamists are killing Muslims, too.
More than they are killing "Christians" infact.
We are either with them or infidels.
No matter what faith (or not) we happen to be, including MUSLIMS.

And?

About what?

Lazy, sir. I remember a few incidents of mosques being targeted.
There have been far more attacks on other locations.

The fact that they are suicide bombers sort of defeats any opportunity to know who they actually were.
Most of the time the bastards that sent them admit to it.
But give no further information.

I have to say you started off well, but now you just seem a little crazy.
"a fictional organization known as "al Qaeda," "?????
"a make-believe war between Sunnis and Shiites."?????
"undercover zionists who are operating inside Iraq"????

Show some evidence, please.

 

Not for anything, but this entire thread makes no sense.

I don't mean to offend anyone, but there is no focus here it seems. What are we trying to express here? There is no coordination or dialectic.

For example, even if Iraq had nukes, did we know sure that they did at the time? If not, then it changes everything around. What happened at that particular point was against the constitution, or am I wrong, or am I going off on a tangent? I dunno.

Just a little confused is all.

 

america attacked because of its fears rather than facts.

the american population has been confused since. its an old trick for america, they sailed around in the gulf of tonkin firing at waves and feared that vietnam had attacked them (which they hadn't).

what i'm saying is that its business as usual

 

I agree with you, thx. I just thought that this thread could have used a bit more focus is all.

 

It's a Loooooong drawn out conspiracy theory, imo, that guy is spinning.
Quite hard to make the man focus on one thing for too long...and not end up with not much to show for it - source, evidence wise.
I'd just read his posts and nobody elses.
You should figure out what he is getting at eventually...
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/iraqwar.shtml

Different tangent, mate. It has been mentioned though.

 

it doesn't take willis carto or one of his multiudes of organizations to know that the biggest promoters of invading iraq were the israeli firsters. just look to the project for a new american century'roster and their writings if you need more proof.

 

I can't tell you how bored I am of hearing this.
Don't be put off by my boredom, though.
If you feel you can articulate why you think it is true...then feel free.

If it amounts to:
The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Then this is tenuos bordering on stupid. Sorry.

 

Usurper? How? I think there was no contest in this last election unlike both of GW's. Real People? Who might those be? GW defended our constitution? Want to give some examples on how he did that?

As to the Supreme Court I am all for getting rid of Roberts and Thomas.

Usurper? Who exactly did he surp from? McCain, Palin and Joe the plumber?

 

I think she is no more, Gardener. She left I think.

 

As I see it, you are placing far too much confidence in a newsmedia propaganda machine which is owned by a bunch of hard-core zionist Jews.

I'm also not sure how you can be so confident in your worldview given that you don't have access to classfied information.

I am simply interpreting events in a way that makes logical sense.

The "news" just isn't logical and imo they're feeding us with a steady diet of rubbish.

 

Of course it is (owned by a bunch of hard-core zionist Jews.) (sarcasm)
I'm not really though (placing far too much confidence in a newsmedia propaganda machine).
I don't put any confidence in anything I read. If It is wrong...plenty of people are willing to tell me it is. If it isn't...the room tends to go quiet.

I'm quite confident most people would be able to give a reasonable answer to these points:

"a fictional organization known as "al Qaeda," ?
"a make-believe war between Sunnis and Shiites." ?
"undercover zionists who are operating inside Iraq" ?

Instead you chose to ignore them.

No argument there.

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Friday revived the system of military trials for foreign terrorism suspects at Guantanamo, angering supporters who said he had broken a promise to end the controversial tribunals set up by the Bush administration.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54E4S820090515

see...

its all starting to unravel. this is what comes of employing the same advisors that have crippled the american economy.

the best thing he could do is ditch the parasites and get back into the business of running america rather than send the american army to conquer the lands of the bible for the religious fanatics that have held sway for so long.

business as usual

expect to see more things exhumed from the grave of failed policy

 

i periodically return to these forums

since i've been gone america has committed more troops to the war, spent more money to the war thanks to obama and his friendly advisors such as Rahm Israel Emanuel who suggest to obama how wonderful a war is on the middle east.

the israelis have been killing people again, people on aid boats, they riddled them with bullets some of them had been shot from the helicopters

the israelis have been caught doing other silly things like trying to sell nuclear weapons (south africa - the present government doesn't mind releasing all the secrets of the former government).

they have been caught using passports of friendly western countries to assassinate a hamas leader.

no doubt as the years roll by i can add more crimes against humanity and wars

if you want the simple life don't vote for people who hate you and use you to destroy other people they hate. the old testament is about hate pure and simple.

good luck with your wars

 

Unfortunately, voting won't solve anything. One of the key problems we face in America is that the democracy we so cherish has become a joke. It doesn't matter who you vote for, America will still follow through with its imperialist agenda against the will of the people. People thought they had a choice in 2008. Right, McCain or Obama. No matter who won we would still be in the middle east and the government would still be acting of their own will. In 2012 they will reproduce the same illusion of choice. Don't be fooled. The government is not going to save America. It is up to us, The People.

 

What classified information do you have access to?

And where do you learn of these events? Would this be from the classified sources that Oden cannot access? Isn't it a crime to publish classified material?


I don't agree with Odon about the M. E. wars, but this Zionist conspiracy thing has always been rather difficult to swallow, even laughable.

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American democracy is a joke, but one that can be cured by voter education and participation. That's real education as opposed to Tea Party propaganda and participation at the polls in a meaningful way, not Tea Party block voting for their favorite Christian who thinks porno and socialists are our biggest problems.

GWB is a perfect example of why you are wrong.

What is your proposal on how we should do this?

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*nevermind

 

i suggest that you pick up a copy of the old testament, you'll need the less twisted and glossed over versions, have a look at the king james bible which from what i have seen is practically word for word of the jewish texts.

read genesis it lays out the political manifesto of the old testament, moses tries to make it flesh and fails - it turns out that no jewish leader has succeeded in making these nightmares reality.

i just wish these people would just try getting on with other people instead of trying to kill everyone.

 

I stopped reading this bullshit at page three.

Why do the fucking idiots of the world think that all the problems are caused by jewish people?

You want to solve a lot of problems? When one of these fuckheads start spewing their crap... put a bullet between their eyes and be done with it... arguing with them is pointless as they have nothing between their ears for logic to effect.

 

read the old testament friend???

i don't go around killing people why do they??

why does jehovah hate everyone and want to kill everyone ??

why does this religion spread such hate???

i don't know but from reading the old testament i can see it does.

why doesn't jesus encourage people to kill other people??