Woman Fighting on the frontline

well, i have observed this phenomena in 3 unrelated little boys, who were 3 different races. 2 of the boys had hippy mothers who would did not watch much TV or show it to the boy.... I dont know if this behaviour is unusual. My own brother seemed very interested in guns, cars, and wrestling, sports.. he needed no encouragement and neither of my parents tried to create gender roles.... in fact i turned out to not be the typical for a female, my brother is actually closer to the "norm" than I turned out to be.

 

It would be more interesting than football.

 

If only there were three and a half billion more of you

 

I am sorry you are offended by what I am saying. But there are a lot of violent, action packed movies which are created to fulfil the entertainment needs of men, and though i have always dated very intelligent men, I have only dated one or 2 who have not dragged me to one or forced me to sit through one... men are just different. perhaps you dont like them, but you are probably not in that majority of men.... thats ok, i didnt say all men are the same...

I disagree with you that no man wants to go to war. Prince Harry went to Afghanistan when he could have just fallen in and out of pubs at home. Men are likely to find the military more interesting than women and are more likely to join for that reason. At the end of the day, people do what they want to do when they are in a society where they have the choice.

Also, there are a lot of women who work around war zones, but you are more likely to find women working as nurses, doctors, in charities.. that is what they were interested in and it is what they have chosen.

 

I'm not offended, just making conversation!

You're probably not wrong, but the pedantic side of me can't help to call it subjective. End of the day, I am just a tired penis looking for equal rights in a world that has gone so far around it's starting to catch itself up.

You make some good points, no one is right or wrong whatsoever.

Please don't think I am being a bastard, it's just always interesting to see things from all angles. You really are quite liberal, and that's a great thing.

 

well, i want equality in the world but i would not fight in a war unless i agreed with the reasons for that war! i know that i enjoyed war games with my brother and my sister when we were kids and my favourite game of all time as an adult, was GTA and i was a BAD MO-FO

also, when i lived with my previous partner, some 22 years ago, we were in bed one night and there was a noise downstairs.... he pulled the covers up so only his eyes could see over, saying "what was that???" it was i who got out of bed, picked up the baseball bat and went downstairs, talking in a loud voice to the would-be offender as i went, to give them a chance of changing their mind about the intrusion and to give them the opportunity of getting away unhurt... later, when my partner and i split (after years of HIS domestic violence) he turned up one day at my new place to pick up the kids and once they were installed in his car he came and knocked on my door again.... out of their sight he grabbed me by the throat and went to hit me... it was for the last time... i gave him such an unexpected right hook, right on his jaw, cracking it apparently, and he has not been back for more of the same since then

NO ONE should be made to fight in a war if they don't agree with it, whether male or female! everyone should feel that they are valued members of their society... my experience as a mother at home, with children, has led me to believe that the priorities of people who stay at home to look after children are not really taken seriously when compared to the priorities of people who operate mainly outside of the domestic arena... and it pisses me off!!! often i found schools, seriously underfunded, help for abuse victims (male and female) seriously underfunded, courts, the law, and all the systems that work around it, are seriously biased in favour of the aggressor... i don't want the world to be run by women, rather i would welcome equal attention and funding in all areas of life... both public and domestic... but, unfortunarely, in this present political/corporate world, what seems to be of most importance is profit! war is over money! money is power! fuck the people who have no money! profit before people.... we are sent very clear messages that to steal property is considered a much more serious matter than to take someones life... men AND women should have the joint responsability of raising the children they bring into this world, and if and/or when something goes wrong, then society should step in and support the vulnerable, whether male or female, adult or child! but this doesn't happen in many, many, MANY cases...

i feel i have performed a very valuable function, necessary function infact, of providing some members of the next generation and have been seriously undervalued throughout... if there was a war that i thought was valid, then i would fight in it (i wouldn't do this if, at that time, i was at home looking after the children, because my children are my priority) if, however, someone came to my home and my children were at serious risk, then i would eliminate (kill, if necessary) the threat...

i fear that i may ramble on if i don't stop here, for now...

 

Well,I did read up on testosterone and one statement I found interesting was that it was the absence of testosterone in XX fetuses because of a chemical that specifically disallows it from crossing the blood brain barrier,whereas the xy has a brain chemical that specifically allows testosterone to cross the BBB. Therefore ,the conclusion was that it was the ABSENCE of testosterone in early fetal developement that determined xx. I conclude that xy would have more testosterone than xx in all stages of developement and would manifest in the way testosterone is known to affect males:ie=tendancies (ONLY tendancies)toward action ,physical activities and perhaps violence. My kids as used in my example,had little friends with whom they played, that had "guns" and indulged in the usual little bang-bang wars that most boys seem to like,so perhaps I should have made that clear. Obviously,expecting them to make up the word guns out of nowhere would be like expecting someone from a hunter -gatherer society to sit down and know how to play canasta.However,I have posited the very stance autumnbreeze has put forth on many occasions on HF. Nature=biology plays an important role in development from fetus 'till death,but nurture is equally as important or maybe even more so. Nurture introduces young ones to the social contract that most of us learn from an early age--to respect others,to be honest, kind,understanding of others rights,ect. Children show up with biological "baggage" ,but if the aforementioned values are not displayed for them in their everyday upbringing--trouble may ensue and manifest anti-social behaviour up to and including extreme violence from early on.-----------anyway,neither am I going to type up the brain chemicals I referenced nor am I going to put links up. Anyone that's interested can type in testosterone and learn for ones self. One I thing know for sure-no girls that I have known throughout my life,including my daughter and grand daughter have ever demanded guns from me at any age.

 

Good God.

You know what? There is no draft right now. Every man and woman that enters the service is doing so voluntarily. Uncle Sam offers some good incentives for those who serve. But, if there were a draft, an EQUAL draft, stating all men and women from 18 to, I don't know, 45 need to enlist, you'd better fucking believe women on this forum and all over the damned place would refuse. Including me! But that is equality, isn't it? In the past, only men were drafted. Why is the life of a female worth more than a male?
So, if this fair and equal draft was put into place, then an 18 year old girl could easily end up going off to war with her 36 year old mother. And dad, too. WTF?

Thank goodness for us all, that there is no draft. I know there would be an outcry against sending women off to war with men. And this war, any war, doesn't even have to exist. They're just here and they have been here, so we just assume that's how things have to be and it doesn't. If any body, male or female is for gender equality--masculinist, feminist, whatever--then the point isn't to join in on something that's already fucked up. The point is to get rid of it.

Here's an idea: women will NOT EVER be equal when it comes to warfare. Why? War is patriarchal. Therefore, war is corrupt and flawed. So, any woman attempting to assimilate into something already messed up is just making the problem worse rather than offering a solution. People who are for gender equality--I don't care which direction you lean in--should be finding a solution rather than participating in the problem.

 

I'm sure our next matriarchal war will be proper and perfect.

 

Oh, you're so clever, buddy! High Five!

Patriarchy is still the dominant social structure around the world. It has been for thousands of years. If there was a matriarchal social structure just as big and old, then I'd say the same fucking thing. As long as one gender, race, ethnicity, whatever has to suffer so one can thrive, anything under that dominant social structure is going to be flawed. Period.

 

To be fair as it currently is the draft only applies to males between 18-26, as I would assume it would for females too if they were part of the selective service. Past 20's people aren't drafted, even during WW2 I think the max age was 30.

 

I don't disagree with you one iota. If you read any of my posts elsewhere on this website, you will discover I am not a bigot male, i'm just a guy who wants to see harmony between the sexes and neither ostracizing the other or living any double standard.

We all have a different job in life, biology proves that. Mother nature was not a sexist, more a practical thinker.


Glad you beat that shit by the by, sounds like he deserved it. You're one person I might not want to bump into in a dark alley late one night

 

Well...regardless of age, I'm sure women wouldn't want this kind of equality if there was a draft. There would be stipulations on things, i.e. pregnant women and women with children. I can see it now...women storming sperm banks and adoption agencies to avoid the draft! Yet, men who have children would not be held back!

 

Single fathers actually are exempted, as are people who are the last of reproducing age in their name line. There shouldn't be a draft, which is why there isn't, but to be equal it should have to apply to both genders.

For the record we could very easily live in a country where there is a draft, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, all first world democratic countries that still have a peacetime draft.

 

Women have been using pregnancy to secure material advantage for a long time. I wonder why you didn't mention women spreading their legs in droves to avoid the draft.

 

ooops IB... i didn't actually highlight the bit i was quoting from your post... only meant to quote a small part, but quoted whole, then proceeded to ramble :coffee:

i think it was the bit where you were talkin bout women being MADE to enlist...? My point, which i totally failed to illustrate, was that neither Males NOR Females should be made to enlist.... PEOPLE should be given the facts about the reasons for any war, (i mean, we ARE supposed to be living in a democratic kind of society... supposed to, but that's a whole other thread) and then people, both males and females, should have the right to decide whether to enlist or not...

i can certainly see from your posts that we are in agreement over many issues... i just used a small part of what you'd said (i intended to at least) because it triggered a thought in my head and then i just bluuuuurbed it in a post... but i kinda went offt on a tangent and kinda missed the point.... sorry :grouphug:

oh, yeah... one night soon... dark alley... late.... WATCH IT!!!

 

being a feminist doesn't mean not accepting that women are typically smaller and physically weaker. pfft.

 

i know a lotta very fit, very aggressive, very angry menopausal women that could probably do pretty stinking awesome in battle, though.

 

exactly! me too... and i know some men who wouldn't want to fight or who are just not cut out for battle... and i think it should be a personal choice for both men and women...

 

indeed. down with the draft, up with equal service.