What really pisses me off about people in relation to drugs

It pissed me off when I see someone say something like LSD is a good thing. Like saying it or any other psyches are 'positive' or whatever. It actually irks me more than people who think they are automatically bad, because at least they are speaking of what's right for them on a personal level. But people prone to wooing of a substance or trends in society (Sorry, counter-cultures are also a trend).

Listen, in the end of the day this is nothing more than my opinion... but I think it's still a pretty good one.

Drugs are not positive. They aren't good and they aren't evil.

Right, wrong, good, evil... these are nothing but human concepts. Created by the human mind. The human mind is capable of course of projecting these ideas onto outside objects/events... but that is nothing more than a reflection of our own psyche in relation to these outside objects/events.

The drug is simply a drug. The rest is up to you. And you are all too fallible and prone to being wrong.

"You can't tell the woman from the men, cause they are dressed in the same pollution. Their brains are confused with confusion..."

 

drugs might not be positive but acid is

 

I agree. Every drug can be used in both positive and negative ways, or even neutral ways. It depends on the individual and what is right for them, specifically.

 

Tell that to the people who's minds it's destroyed, or have ended up killing themselves on it.

If you're gonna use drugs and glorify the use, shit... don't make it out to be some flowery unicorn ride. Kids and idiots are gonna be doing this shit. I feel it's the job of responsible drug users to promote a mature and level-headed mentality. Drugs are serious business, and the nixonians drug war people already have pleanty of ammo with all these violent junkies and dumb ass dextro-kids running about.

 

sam i don't understand your sig.. why are all of those things ruined just because people like them, believe in them, or follow them? sure there might be a few random kids who think they are cool or hip because they know of the list.. but why does that ruin it for you? if you cared so much about any of the items on your list you would still like, enjoy, and follow them to this day, even if some people pick them up for the sake of being trendy.

i do agree with you about the drugs though. some may have some positive effects, but that usually ends in abuse, and chasing former glories you once experienced through the drug

 

Yeah, you're right. But they still piss me off. I don't enjoy it any less, but you know my steez... I can't just let assholes get away with it without making some kind of jab. Anyway, that's not really the topic here. I'm trying to actually say something positive/productive instead of just being a smart-ass

 

haha yeah i hear you

 

it would be much healthier if one was to pursue and try to attain whatever they get from the drugs without drugs.
for example.. you are stressed and want to kill it with a benzo. instead of taking the benzo you should sit down for a while and meditate on the root of the problem and try to fix it in a positive manor such as exercise and actually dealing with the issue or issues. want some trippy times? get into lucid dreaming and deep meditation. drugs are a cheap and easy way to get instant gratification, though i do like them..maybe even love them, i'm not sure haha T.T

 

I love drugs. That's why I hate seeing stupid people fucking it up. Or hearing people talk about enlightenment and ironically enough ego-loss to impressionable jackasses who probably shouldn't be doing that shit anyway.

It can be beautiful, of course. But it can also be terrible. Especially for the 9/10 people who do not have a mind capable of handling it long term, or people who make jellyfish of themselves thinking they are expanding their mind. (I've seen it happen, not just talking shit)

 

The chemical is neutral but why does that mean one can't draw positive experiences from the chemical and hold it in high regard. From what ive read the terminal cancer patients that have taken MDMA and psilocybin often find it very beneficial to them, why is there perception of what's right for them on a personal level wrong? Why should they not be able to experience happiness in their remaining days.

Those are extreme examples but I don't see why other people shouldn't be allowed to experience them. Last I checked almost all psychs are schedule 1 so you've already been told they are bad. By your logic why should we take advil, vicodin, morphine or any other drug that may have a perceived beneficial effect?

I can't even remember the last time I was sick and I certainly don't eat healthy. If psychedelics keep my mind healthy and other activities like sex keep my body healthy call me selfish but I'm doing them.

 

I didn't say they were bad, I fucking love 'em. All I'm saying is that it should be respected, and used responsibly. Or at least not saying "Hey kids, this shit will make you happy and you'll probably talk to god and stuff and experience pure truths of the universe that before you could only read about on forums"

Actually no, my point was that they are neither good or evil, and they can do harm or good with equal ease depending on the mindset/mental compacity of the user... which is why they should be viewed in a realistic light.

 

yes, drugs need to be used responsibly, and if not, kept at a healthy limit at least. i also believe one should inform themselves on whatever it is they are planning to take. on multiple levels

 

oh yes I agree. I think knowledge of what you are taking prior and possibly the different contexts of its use can give one more appreciation for the experience. I certainly have been to a couple raves where ive seen some very ugly aspects of psychedelic use like this guy tripping on acid tried to give me a lightshow (I was sober and I told him numerous times) and he was a fucking terrible dancer when he performed and then he proceeded to ask me if I wanted a light show another two times within a half hour I felt like grabbing the guy and saying "No I don't want your fucking crappy lightshow fucker" but I am friendly and didn't want to ruin the 'vibes'. Also seeing this 16 year old girl in this dark corner strung out on ketamine at this party was kind of sad to me as she looked completely gone and helpless, no friends were there to chill with her or anything. (No I didn't you guys are sick)

 

You let all that bother you? I can see you are on a journey though. That is a good sign. Things will likely click through time. The objects were completely spoiled you say?

This reminds me of my acid trip at a Dave Matthews Band Concert. For a long time I "disliked" the Dave Matthews Band because so many of their fans were the people I "disliked." Then I started smoking weed and became more open minded. I began to like Dave Matthews Band musically and became an occasional listener. Never liked them enough to go to a concert. As I became good friends with people that I couldn't help to open myself to their tastes and Dave Matthews Band became something I liked more. It was very my style of music but still so many people I thought I couldn't relate to are huge fans. Kept me away from their shows ya know. But I liked them so much this year I had the money and the time so it was something I decided to do regardless of any stigma. Me and my friend took a hit of good acid an hour before the show. We got their late to this massive concert. It's packed with Kids of all kind. A lot of the preppy type. Tons of teen girls too. I don't know what I'm trying to say I'm lost right now, but there were a ton of "those" people. But the music was wonderful. And everyone was into it. Almost immediately when we made our way to the middle of the lawn section in the massive crowd of Dave Matthews Band fans it began to downpour heavily and storm. Everyone went crazy during Everyday. Groups of girls were singing along high pitched and you know what, it didn't even bother the moment at all. Probably just added to it. The whole show was momentous with the crowd and everyone around us was really into it. Such a mixture of people, ones like me, quite a bit hippie looking people, college kids, high school kids, posers, preps, punks, stoners, older folk. Anyone and everyone and they all added to the concert. I find it amusing and something more pleasing than irritating to see large groups of people get behind something. I love culture almost as much as I do anti-culture or void culture and dissociation and detachment.

I do agree about the drugs. I think the hallucinogens have huge potential for positive benefits and quite a bit for negative, but it is completely depending on personal interpretation. Everything has to come through some sort of subjective reasoning even if it leads to objectivity.

It's only semi-ironic people pass on the idea of egoloss.

 

I believe that when someone says it is positive, they are referring to the drugs potential.

 

As well as their personal experience.

 

Ah yes, extremes on either end are annoying and destructive to the truth.

 

Anyone who says that acid or any other drug is incontrovertibly good hasn't used it enough times. Of course there are no absolutes but you have to admit that some drugs are good relative to others.

What I mean is that some drugs have effects that humans can subjectively appreciate as leading to "objective" good. There is no objective good but that's because there is no objective anything. People live subjectively and understand their world as such. A trip that changes your mindset will impel you to change your behaviour which can create good in the world for you and the people you affect. An addiction to crack (or acid, but admittedly that is much less frequent and destructive) can destroy relationships and breed selfishness which is "evil" (but is it evil to the addict?)

In that sense, acid is a good drug. Crack is a bad drug. Just because it's impossible to define something in terms of pure absolutes doesn't mean that a relative definition is wrong. Relative definitions are the basis of the human experience.

Also, first poast.