Psychoactive Substances, and Their Place In Society

Do you believe drugs were meant to be used? Why are they here? I mean as proposed by McKenna, Psilocybin aided in the creation of language and progressed human cognitive ability over time, eventually becoming a part of our diet and human system. Though many substances can be dangerous, I think as for Psychedelics mainly... they have something to teach us, but how come life becomes more of a "stuck" feeling after seeing what they have to show you?
A very broad question, I know.

 

I believe substances given by the earth should be used to the full potential. Earth gives all types of plants that can help with most mental and physical problems. But i believe things such as LSD/RC's were not made available to us until we we're mentally fit. Take for example, a outbreak of ergot fungus in a bread production plant in the 1700's, i believe. Supposedly most of the town went mad, people jumping form windows, setting fires, and general insanity. This is because man at this time was not ready to handle the messages they had to give, or maybe it just wasn't necessary yet. But now that we are destroying our earth so rapidly, plants are reacting how they always have, with a self-defense mechanism. just like plants will grow thorns and poisons to protect from predators, they create psychedelics to defend from man, as understanding would be there greatest weapon.

Though i believe they should be used with a greater degree of respect then most of society treats them with today, and should be used as a 'right-of-passage', or spiritual awakening, though i don't think there is anything wrong with occasional recreational use, life should be enjoyed. Sometimes i lose that message, but psychs always bring me back to the light.

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I think there place is what the individual user decides to make of it. They can definitely be quite beneficial in moderation, or excession, I mean, again, depends on the person. It seems as though not many people go into the drugs for therapeutic benefits (at least the people that I know), and that aspect seems more overlooked than it used to be, but that can absolutely be the plus side to them. And yeah, they are quite kick ass in plain old recreation, so I can't quite argue against that. But, from what I'm hearing, psychedelic drugs are being looked into again for psychotherapy and the what not. Hopefully the stigma will die down and the mental benefits will be more fully understood on a more mainstream basis.

 

this is the best awnser ive heard on this subject ,like somosensory meets time convergence

 

LOL phazedaze that's certainly a bolder claim than I can make that psychedelic plants have somehow singled humans out among the thousands upon thousands (millions maybe?) of animals on the planet to defend against. Human interaction and consumption probably accounts for a small percentage of interaction these plants and fungus go through with animal lifeforms throughout their history.

Are we talking about psychoactives in general or psychedelics specifically? If were talking about the former coffee, alcohol, tobacco, and I would now say synthetic opiates all play a crucial role in American lifestyle. I think psychedelics do have some influence in society as well but more in the realm of art and innovation, specifically the Internet I would say.

 

Humans are by far the most dangerous species to this plant at the moment, though we could be the most helpful!
If plants have mechanisms for defense, the the earth, in general, is a big dirtball covered in them, is it that far out of a concept?

Just like vitamin C isn't used by almost any other animal then humans, the same could be true of psychedelics. Take for example how 5-meo-dmt/DMT kills sheep when they ingest it, but gives humans mind blowing enlightenment. Earth is teaching the animals that don't need it to stay away, just like horses while eating grass avoid foods that are poisonous to them, through instinct. They weren't taught it by humans, they just know. And teaching humans, whom are more complex and questionable beings, to be peaceful to protect itself.

But this is all just theory and random thoughts. The world is probably far to complex for us to grasp yet. But its fun thinking about it. eace::sifone:

 

which on a unrelated topic
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by the way humans go well all be dead and fuck wya before then pashshhh

 

humans aren't the only animals to use psychedelics though. Reindeer eat amanitas (heard of flying reindeer) jaguars eat grass containing dmt, cats inhale catnip, and I'm sure there are many other examples. This Is just mammals we are talking about to so far, imagine all the insects, bugs, and other micro-organisms that interact with these plants.

Also if a human eats enough datura or ergot it can kill them, nature doesnt discriminate some animals just respond to different chemicals differently based on genetic chemical makeup. As we can even see slight differences on reaction from each other based on personal generic makeup.

 

But Does it make them trip?

Not every plant goes into defense mode, either. Its a slow and ever growing process, probaly taking hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years. Make sure you rember the "stoned ramblings" part of my first post too bud I'm not saying the plants are comming to take us all over ['The Happening' movie what?]. He asked what I thought, so i told. I like your argument though, its challenging. eace:

 

you obviously have never seen a cat inhale or eat catnip, (though I believe some are effected more than others) my cat starts purring alot and rubbing up and licking stuff, type in jaguar on dmt on youtube and watch for yourself, I would link you but I'm on an iPod touch at the moment and its a hassle to link to youtube.

 

Ha, i didn't think about that. Cat-enlightenment must be so perrrrrr-fect. :smilielol5: