BK-MDA? [3,4 methylene-dioxy-cathinone]

so i've been wondering for a while now, why have i never even seen bk-mda listed?

..i've always wondered if the mdma > mda relationship is similar to it's beta-ketone homologous.


any personal experience?


edit:
read on BL that shulgin mentioned BK-amps need a secondary amine to be stable.. but it wasn't cited with a source.

 

That actually sounds rather interesting. I would be curious to try it if it were ever synthed.

 

I may have read something similar to what you read but I remember reading somewhere that it can't really be done for reasons I don't remember. Sorry for making a completely informationless post but I pondered this awhile ago and remember feeling let down by the minimal information I read on the subject.

 

like Richard K. Dick's "vague blurs"

but yea, i figure since i've NEVER seen it that it's probably either a [nearly] impossible synth, very unstable, or for some reason inactive [though i've seen a fair few of shulgin's unactive compounds listed]

 

I read the original quote from Dr. Shulgin, can't remember where (not BL, although I do recall the discussion there). He didn't cite a source (it was a transcript of an interview, not a scientific paper), but I would tend to take his word on that type of thing. If they were stable we would probably have seen BK-DOI and alot of others by now.

 

wow, BK-DOxx compounds would be fuckint amazing.

but what about something like bk-tma-2? that sounds like it could in theory happen....it has the methylated amph just like bk-mdma?

 

i like what im hearing here shermin

 

Isn't there 5-meo-mda aswell or did i dream it?

 

I thought MDAI was the analogue of MDA.... Am I missing something??

 

rc_headache28, look at the pictures of both...

 

All cathinones that have primary amines are unstable and tend to create dimers. Thus they are seldom made. I did see a study in rats, I think it was, with BK-MDA and some other cathinones like BK-MDMA. How they made it or kept it stable, I don't know.

 

ANY way you could cite the studty?~?~rettyplease:

 

Dal Cason, TA; Young, R; Glennon, RA. Cathinone: An investigation of several N-alkyl and methylenedioxy-substituted analogs. Pharmacol., Biochem. Behav., 1997, 58 (4), 1109–1116. pdf 97 kB. doi:10.1016/S0091-3057(97)00323-7

There's a summary of that one here: http://news.psydir.com/Psychology-Articles/discriminating-cathinone-analogs/

Dal Cason, TA. The characterization of some 3,4-methylenedioxycathinone (MDCATH) homologs. Forens. Sci. Intl., 1997, 87 (1), 9–53. pdf 909 kB. doi:10.1016/S0379-0738(97)02133-6

From http://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/explore.php?domain=pk&id=2122

(isomerdesign usually cites references of research done on the compound they have a profile for)



Also see: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-323037.html

 

Quite a bit actually. A chemical can have many analogs. MDMA is an analog of MDA for example.

 

I was just searching around for bk-MDA information online, wondering why there was no info. I acquired it as a legal RD in Japan.

The chemical name written on the product is 2-Amino-1-3,4-,ethylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-one Hydrochloride.

I can give experience-based info as to its effects on humans. So if you anyone has any questions please.

 

i'm extremely interested.

please elaborate!

p.s:
i assume you meant to type 2-Amino-1-3,4-Methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-one Hydrochloride

 

yes I am very interested as well. have you tried MDA, mdma or bk-mdma? if so how would it compare to those 3?

 

sorry shermin,
yes, I meant to type 2-Amino-1-3,4-Methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-one Hydrochloride

Unfortunately I haven't tried bk-MDMA nor MDA so I can't provide any comparison.

bk-MDA was my first drug outside alcohol/tobacco.

I have taken it 3 times.

Dosage/duration:
At 200 mg the effects are quite benign, and taking them in the morning I was able to get a decent night's sleep. 300 mg increases the strength of the effects, but also makes it likely that in the evening you could have a tough time coming down. Last time I did 300 mg, and lied for 3-4 hours in bed, wide awake until 4 am or so. The duration was around 12 hours, with the effects lingering on for up to 24 hours at least. Even after 24 hours, when I grabbed a cup of coffee, the effects seemed to return temporarily.

For first timers, maybe start at 200 mg and if after 90 min it's not really doing too much and you can handle more, if you add in another 100 mg that should kick it up a few notches within minutes. (based on my last time taking it.)

It's mainly a body drug, producing physical well-being, and increased awareness and unity of mind and body in a sense. I had no appetite for food until late at night, and my libido was gone. For large parts of the duration I experienced strong contentment and bliss. I had a strong urge for meaningful communication, but as I was alone with no friend to talk to I spent time writing long personal e-mails that were more open and honest than usual.

One gets a propensity for jaw clenching, muscle tensing... but muscle tensing is enjoyable, and jaw clenching can be avoided by being conscious of the tendency

It seems if you flow and play around with physical movements you can discover a lot of cool mind/body states with this drug. As far as moving around in public influenced - your eyes are wide open so people are going to laugh at that, but communication for me is generally easier and more free-flowing so the paranoia level is low lol. Except you get laughed at a lot with your eyes being all

I'm thinking to take up either BJJ or yoga partially because of the influence of this drug. Next time I take bk-MDA I wanna be somewhere I can just jump and roll around like a maniac instead of typing on a keyboard.

I'm a drug newbie, but I can also consult with an experienced friend who I've taken it together with, so - questions welcome.

Does this sound anything like bk-MDMA or MDA?

 

I'm normally not one for reviving dead topics, but I feel this is worth being discussed again.

So what ever became of this? It sounds perfectly active and an interesting compound, and I'm especially surprised by the duration since the beta-ketone analogues tend to be much shorter lasting than their amphetamine brothers.

I've heard that the reason for it not reaching popularity is that it quickly degrades unlike other beta-ketones, but even if such degradation is quick, it can't be that quick if depraved was able to conduct trials with it before it degraded.

I imagine with correct storage it might just be the case that one wouldn't be able to stock up long term, but in the short term it'd be fine - and I understand this is a problem for vendors producing kilograms of product, but what about the people who just offer small custom synths? Why doesn't someone get some of this made?