Are women biologically programmed to reward cruelty, evil and domination?

"sheer misery of the female condition"

 

This is both funny and painful to read.

Though they could have been making fun of how unattractive you where, if they where saying this in public. Perhaps you never did have any friends, and never where popular, and where simply the laughingstock of these girls, after it had been established how messed up your sexuality was. I hope not, that's rather cruel, but it seems as though it could be the case.

"or if it where all a scheme"

I call first mental hospital visit

 

I always did consider it a possibility that it could be a cruel trap, which is why I was a always a little wary. But then again it extended over a long period of time with girls who probaly not in contact. So it would have to be a fairly wide conspiracy. But then again it was kind of light, and I didn't really sense any maliciousness.

I don't think I was ever popular. In some ways I was a friendless loser laughing stock. But in other ways I had objective achievements.

I guess with me there are a list of objective facts that if you heard about me in HS or JRHS, you would rightfully conclude I was a popular local celebrity. And yet another set, equally true that would prove I was a friendless outcast. Both sides are true. And yet to split the difference down the middle would be entirely wrong.

I suppose there was something of the medieval prince of fools tradition. I was the village idiot and yet for the festival I was really treated like a Prince. Enjoying all his privileges.

But for me it was all worth it to be the center of attention and have an audience.

 

I'm not sure you ever where much of the center of attention. Or not in a good way.

You do, however, have an absolutely classic abusive/power tripping/control freak boyfriend/husband mentality. It's really quite lucky you never responded, assuming these advances where not in jest.

 

I certainly was able to hold n audience at times. But maybe it was a freak show car crash attention.

Now, what from my posts seems classic abusive to you?

 

The whole fantasy about women being subserviant rape toys who get off on domination and cruelty.

 

I'm just seeing the world as it is. I'm not happy about it. Its whats drive me to despair.

How is it that everyone else in the world is so ok with life? To me it seems like an unbearable torture. What good do people find in life?

1Well I guess that is the biggest obstacle to simply finding a “niche”. Sure I could find a small minority of good folks who share my values and only associate with them. But I’m dependent. I need the boss for to survive.

So where do I go from here? I should know. Its awfully simple. Perhaps it is just the biology in me. Reason makes it very clear. I’m fundamentally at odds with the values of this society. That need not be fatal. I don’t need to rule the world. I could have a “niche”. Although niche is too small. To me that sounds like answering the wickedness of the world by having stamp-collecting as a hobby. So I think there has to be a fundamental separation from society like the Monks, Shakers, Amish, Hippie communes etc. IDK I seem to be born in a time when people, especially young people are fundamentally ok with the nature of the world. If theres any people to complain it is always the college campuses. And they seem most content of all. Their the ones who drove me to insanity. What a sad time, where the children mock the idealism of their fathers. The young scold the old for being dreamers with heads in the clouds. While I happen to be an atheist in this Zeitgeist, I suppose my personality naturally inclines me to the Priesthood. In any traditional society that would probaly have been my calling. It combines philosophy, rhetoric, oratory, social work, with Shamanistic contact with the Other World. It is my natural disposition. And for most of human history the Shaman had a natural role in the division of labor. So perhaps I am not alien to the world, just this historical era. Well thats the problem with blindness by ideology, its hard to see just what is eternal and what historic.

On the one hand I am shut up the undeniable material superiority of this era. And yet its not all in my head. As I study the worldviews of past ages there IS a real difference. And as bad as those ages may have been to live in as a serf, on a deep level I’m more comfortable and at home with them.
I definitely did pay too much attention to male-female issues after college. Well that was the natural direction to go in to have a more sophisticated knowledge of “debauchery”. IDK its so impersonal to me. It sounds so horrible in the written word. If the world really is that awful, I know I would commit suicide if born female. But maybe the fact that women can endure what as a male I would consider an unbearable humiliation and indignity proves their point. Maybe Aristotle is right and not committing suicide when treated sub-humanly is proof of being subhuman. But I mean maybe life just seems awful from the outside and from the inside its just life. OR maybe I should accept that I gambled everything on Destiny, and hanging around earth after that- I’m just a living ghost.

I just need to accept where my road is leading. What a shame. But I suppose it works out for everybody. Thats just the nature of this existence. Theres no need for me to oppose or hate it. Its just a mistake for someone of my tempermant to exist is all. And maybe its good its dog eat dog. Perhaps compassion would be wasted on me. If I’m not meant to exist, if my consciousness opposes life, what favor does society do in feeding me? Since society doesn’t provide, my parents provide the American welfare state for me. Unlike W.Europe America believes in family values and makes the family its own welfare state. SO thats basically what I’m doing now. Leeching off the US welfare state- my family. Thats where compassion comes from in USA – kinship. But even that has limits in USA. So I’ll be out on my butt come August. But it has been almost a year of leeching. Is it so great? Is it really compassion to keep someone who doesn’t belong? I may be cut off from society but even alone I’m still tormented by the nature of existence. Maybe survival of the fittest has a point. I’m unfit to exist in the worst possible way. My consciousness is fundamentally against the nature of life. That is far worse a defect that any mental or physical flaw. So I guess all this babbling is just my selfish gene’s fear of failure. And yet it must fail. Somewhere in its programming for consciousness my selfish gene programmed its own grave digger. Well its not like I’d be able to survive on my own. I couldn’t be a hunter-gatherer or farmer. So I need society. And yet I’m at odds with this society.

Just let humanity be humanity. They’re just apes out of the jungle you know. Don’t expect or ask too much of them. If you can’t live with them, can’t live without them. Well, then you can’t live. He who does not work, neither shall he eat. Pity, there were some things I liked about Man.

 

Do any females here have any thoughts on the picture I have drawn here? Is your life a living hell? Do you feel that you are nothing more than a toy for men to enjoy? Do you find yourselves rewarding cruelty? What do you hope to find in men? Does anything I have said ring true?

 

You need mental help...

 

What do you hope to find in men?

 

You've had several women come in here and respond to you. Including myself. And the unanimous opinion seems to be that you have a very odd opinion of women. That most women's lives aren't a living hell, that women are not merely sex toys for men, and that women prefer their men not to be cruel. And do not reward cruelty. That women have varying things they like and hope to find in men. And that very little if anything you've said has rung true.

 

Well then why so many men and women, and pop culture, and pretty much the entire internet, believe it is true? If it were entirely untrue wouldn't it die out pretty quickly because it would be clear from real-life experience that it was not true?

Maybe I should have asked a girl back when I actually got to speak to them in person.

Well if you put nihilism that way, I guess we just have opposite views of the world. Basically my misery derives from the fact that I see the vast bulk of humanity, the herd as you will, acting exactly as you just described above. I do not see a humanity held back by religion, ideology, or "niceness". In other words you see yourself as having broken with the ideological world and a lone nihilist in the darkness. The first nihilist. I see myself perhaps as the last ideologue caught in a world of yous. I guess when you get down to it, neither of us wants to join the herd, although we define the herd in exact opposite terms. You see a world of mes, I see world of yous.

What specifically is the "nihilist" solution? To get a job for some corporation and playing Machiavellian games to get to the top? While going clubbing with bar chicks on the weekends to demonstrate alpha male status? And what does it mean for me to go work for a boss as an employee? There are no checks and balances in the work-place. As an employee I'm a perfect target to unleash his sadistic alpha-male drive to dominate.

It is true the longer I stay away from man the more I lose sympathy and see his cruelty as simply a snake devouring his tail. But while I maybe helpless to save the tale. Perhaps even indifferent. I don't wish to associate with the snake.

How can you complain bout the evils of the world and yet focus your attacks not on the ones who bring misery to others but on "predictable moralists who cling to belief systems because they crave structure, predictability and security. They are weak. Their cries of love and God only spew from their mouths because they are a part of the cult of theism and are enamored with its supposed purity."

Yes Ivan Karamazov does spit in God's face. But not out of "rebellion". Not to prove he is some Nietzchean super-man. But because the landlord who had a child mauled by dogs, and the respected parents who left their tiny daughter beaten to die in her own frozen excrement go unpunished. Because those tears and screams of the innocent children who don't deserve this hellish world go unanswered. Does Ivan's good christian brother turn the other cheek for the torturers of children? "I would have them shot" he answers. Ivan has sympathy for the Grand Inquisitor who would turn the whole world into a totalitarian slave-state so long as the loss of free-will can buy suffering man dull child-like stupid happiness.

My answer to a little girl freezing in her own excrement, betrayed by her own parents, can not be to go out into the world and find meaning by dominating women sexually and men politically simply to suck pleasure out of their pain like a vampire. The only god this world has is the selfish gene. What good is it to spit at the theist God who does not exist and serve the Gene god who does?That is the only god we have to spit at. We can make peace with the selfish gene and take its gifts -the fruitbasket of sadism, dominance, power. I will shout and scream and rant and demand an answer from the Selfish Gene God. That God, that God alone is my enemy- in his silence.

IF there is anything I'm mired in its the worm's eye view of history. Despite the momentous rise in humanity both physically and morally for the last 10,000 years, all I can see is the relative decline of the last 30 or so. I'm 100% convinced by Fukuyama that this is the end of history, that we are stuck with the "nihilistic" values of Generation Y for the rest of eternity. And yet what a small view to take. Based on three decades. On the graph of human history it would not even appear. And even this relative fall, affects only some areas not others. But I'm so trapped in the fog of the dominant ideology, of evopsych and "nihilism", that I'm convinced and universalized. It is as though I have a religious faith in my enemies. And yet as I do take my worm view. Trapped by the years I actually live in. It does seem permanent and hopeless.Like this is the world we're stuck in. But thats not fair I compare the best of past eras with the worst of ours. In the past man spoke gently and acted brutally. Now we have no ideology to deceive. Our brutality is out in the open. And yet perhaps we do not act so badly as times in the past.

I respect your decision, although for the wrong reasons. I once considered a similar course. Out of duty. The Hegelian duty to conform to our time in history and to get our morality not from God, Heart or Reason but from the spirit of the age. And the democratic duty to simply submit to the majority. Historical morality called me to pursue my duty of sexual dominance and sadism. That is the ideology of our age. Who was I, the anti-individualist, to be such an individual and disobey? So in some sense the cry of sadistic hedonism was the cry of democratic-historical duty. The morality of the ground as opposed to the morality of the clouds. Perhaps my individual nature simply conflicts with historical nature. The individual against the state, against power is always wrong. I know that. Well then who am I to complain? Is not "evil" nothing more than individualism? And am I not being an individual by defying history and majority? So who is more evil than me?

Yes, I'm a real freak. Trying to argue to the majority that they're being individualistic, and I a lone individual am being conformist. What a joke. If society says sexual sadism is your duty. You must follow orders like a good solider. You don't try to spin your own morality. There is only one morality. What your society commands. This society is very simple. Go out and be a sexual sadist- torment, hurt, degrade, abuse, humiliate. Such a simple order, from the majority, from society, from the state, the people- and I couldn't do it. So I guess its right and just that I'm miserable. But I just can't be "good". I know their good because their democracy. They have the numbers. If we had an election sexual sadism would win. They are good, and I'm bad. I just can't bring myself to do the "right thing". It is easy to be for democracy when people agree with you. But if the majority believes in life centering around sexual sadism and brutality, the right thing to do is just accept the will of the people. Why am I such a wannabe tyrant? Why can't I stop being an individual and just accept what I know is right?

I could only go so far. I accepted their version of "truth". But I couldn't accept the necessary actions based on their "truth".

I suppose my OP question has been answered. Why does humanity put up with sadism? Because men are sadists. As bad as the boss above you is, there is always a slave below you. And if not, always the hope of future sadism. The most sniveling cowards to those above them, are the most brutal tyrants to those below.

If such is life, who wants to deal with humans? Even the most mundane thing like leaving my parents and getting a job for a boss.

Does anyone else have any thoughts? Is sexual sadism all there is to life, and is that what keeps you waking up in the morning? The prospect of future torments on your victims?

 

But you are not. You are seeing an incomplete image of the world. You have an idea of the world constructed in your head and have confused it for the complete whole. This is actually quite normal, but it's less normal to allow it to torture you so.

Others see the world differently. When you say I come from another planet, it's in a way true. For the world I see is also an incomplete image. And seems to have little cross over with the world you allow yourself to see. I see that world, I see the ideas you hold do exist in the world, I just see them as inconsequential trifles of the few, rather then the over-arching ideals of the many. Those few may be loud, but they are still few.

But it seems you are one of those who believe in what you call the dominant paradigm. It is you who says that if you aren't winning 'their game' you are losing. It is you who feels that the male sex drive is inseparable from the desire to torture and enslave. It is you who are perpetuating the myths that you despise. Before you can work any change upon the world, you must first work change upon yourself.

People find good in many things you scorn and spit upon. The pleasures of the flesh. Food, exercise, beauty, nature, sensual pleasures, friendship, laughter, dance, drugs, accomplishments, learning, empathy... many, many things. You need but open your eyes.

No human is an island. All are dependent. Including 'bosses'. Boss is just another job, in most cases the employer is merely society itself. Once you realize that each boss has a boss, and everyone answers to others. There's a continuous network and the flow of accountability is not merely one way, flowing to the top. The boss is accountable to the customer.

Now, in this society things -are- unpleasantly striated. Primarily because of guys like you. Or at least like you were, and to a degree still are. People who feel the overwhelming need to win, to accumulate power and prestige, who use other people as means to an end, who feel the need to dominate and are terrified of the idea of being vulnerable, of being used, of being of service. We are, I hope, moving away from that, very slowly. It is a process, and we won't see the end of it. But perhaps we can leave the world a bit better then we found it, if we are willing to try.

The idea of you as you are being a minister is somewhat frightening. The current pope comes to mind. Work first on yourself before you seek to be a spiritual guide for others. If you are in a state of torment, you cannot lead others out of torment. But the torment you feel is an opportunity. If you have the spiritual fortitude to face it, it will actually give you great empathy for others, down the line. It will give you insight into the nature of suffering, and you may be, in the end, a great spiritual guide. And atheism is no barrier.

Perhaps the complacency you see in colleges is merely respite. Even when there is work to be done, some relaxation can be called for. We've had a tumultuous century just ended. Social upheaval on a massive scale. It seems that we as a society are enjoying a well deserved rest. Not because the work is done, but because the work that has been done has been done well. Taking time out to enjoy it is no sin, in fact it would be a waste to not do so on occasion.

We live in a world that is made of the dreams of our forebears. It is flawed, imperfect, the is much yet to do. Yet, on many levels, there is so much to celebrate. So much is good. So much has improved, and in a very short time.

The majority then were serfs. Life was brutal and short. Health, sanitation, education were poor. Competition and domination were central. The division between the haves and the have nots was vast and uncrossable. You may feel aligned with the ideologies of those who wrote the histories of such times, but they were a very few, the idle rich. They had the luxury to spend time creating pretty ideas about their world, for they has the luxury to ignore the lives of the rest of humanity. Had you been born in that time, odds are good you would have been born amongst those many who's stories, who's ideas and ideals went unwritten. You cannot know what their lives were like, for their stories have been lost to history.

Or perhaps, as a male, you've simply been trained to expect super-human treatment. To be given the degree of entitlement that comes from being raised white, and male, and middle-classed, and healthy, and vaguely intelligent, and educated. In other words, you simply expect to be treated as superior. And being treated as anything less seems sub-human.

Women are, in this culture, treated as lesser in many regards. And yes, it kinda sucks. But not committing suicide in the face of poor treatment is a sign of fortitude, not a sign of being 'subhuman'. What ridiculous drivel. What pathetically obvious attempt at justification for inequity. Well, we treat them poorly and they don't kill themselves. They must deserve to be treated poorly.

The inequity women face has much in common with the inequity you rail against in realizing that you will not be the king of the hill, superior to all you survey, full of power and prestige. Only lessened by many never having been led to expect such nonsense to begin with. But yes, much in common with the feelings of those destined to be of lower classes. There is inequity. The inequity is far too great, and too well entrenched for any one person to completely defeat it alone. In view of this, some rail against it in rage and frustration, their anger flaring and dying to little effect. Some accept the situation as is, either fatalistically or with a real acceptance, focusing on other things. And some work. Some work very hard all their lives just to shift the inequity a tony fraction. Knowing they will never see the end, but hoping they can make some difference. That is truly noble.

You say compassion would be wasted on you. And yet, it seems your family is -trying-. It's not merely some biological drive, for they had other options. It seems very likely that they really care. Perhaps imperfectly, yet they care. And in case you haven't noticed, -I- have been trying. This whole time. I've been trying to help. Sometimes I've been harsh, but I've been frustrated. And sometimes I've felt like harsh was what you needed. But yes, I actually have been trying.

It seems to me more and more you actually do believe the evo-psych drivel you've been against. You continue to talk of your biology as a motivating force. You talk of your selfish gene, as if it was it's own conscious thing driving you. But you've misinterpreted it, and mixed 2 toxic ideologies that cannot combine in any logical fashion. One, that all urges are merely the expression of genes, and the other of some higher ideal that opposes such 'base' concerns. And yet you cannot have it both ways.

If evo-psych is correct, then there is no reason to be distressed. There are no higher ideals. Your base motivations are the only measure for what is 'good' or 'right'. Nobility is a sham. Virtue is merely a tool. Personal pleasure and gratification are the only reasonable goals. If you Victorian Catholic ideals are correct, then there is a higher more noble purpose for you. It matters not what others do, only what you aspire to. It matters not your position in society, only what you do with it.

The motivations you have are at odds with themselves. You have multiple incompatible ideologies in your mind. And none of them seem to have any room for happiness, for compassion, for understanding, for empathy. Your world is so shallow and hollow and gray because your ideals are.

If humans are merely apes, so are you. If you are something more, so are they. You Are That. Again I entreat you to consider the possibility that if your logic has led you to such a place, the possibility exists that somewhere along the line, your logic contains a fatal flaw. That the only option that makes any sense is to revise your entire viewpoint from base principles. To reject what you have been told about the world and work a few things out for yourself outside of the ideologies you now hold. Seriously, at this point, what have you got to lose?

 

Where's my dinner?

 

When have I referred to myself as a nihilist? I am not. Nor do I consider you an ideologue. I see you as a selfish pampered brat that has seen his first glimpse of the injustice of the world, and is overwhelmed. Congratulations, you now have a choice. Indulge in self-pity over it and give up, or join those who are working to actually do something about injustice. Selflessly, knowing that you will not see the reward for your work, but others will.

I do not see a world full of you's. I see a world with many as you were, and few as you are. Few who've recently had their eyes opened to the fact that all is not right with the world. Few who've just gotten a glimpse outside the limited views they've been spoonfed as children, and gained some understanding. Few who cling desperately to their selfishness while railing against it. Many pass through the door in which you stand, but few linger so.

Most see, briefly, on occasion, but prefer their illusions and so go back to them. Some have the fortitude to take on real virtue. Some remain forever trapped in indecision, in seeming hopelessness. Unwilling to give up their own selfish and egoistic ideas, yet unable to look away from injustice. They are ones for whom I have the most pity. And so I try to be patient. As I've tried to be with you.

Even those who decide on service will find themselves challenged again and again. It's not an easy road. But it's worth it.

 

Watch it hon. I imagined you into this world, I can stop imagining you any time I like.

 

I noticed your imagination is rather wordy, yet you deftly abandon all that persuasive vernacular for the brute and swift document of pussy power!

 

Because the people who benefit most from this myth are largely in charge of pop culture?

Again, I never claimed to be a nihilist. I consider myself an idealist. I've had to work very hard to gain a degree of pragmatism so that my ideals can actually have some use. But in all this I do not allow myself to lose sight of the good things in life. To do so would be to waste them, and to fall into despair. Their is no value I can see in scorning pleasure, where pleasure does not come at other's expense.

I don't see humanity as a herd. I see humanity as a mass of individuals. Each and every one with their own pains, desires, dreams. Each one needing love. I am no lone nihilist in the darkness. I am one amongst many, needing others as much as they need me. Desiring others as they desire me. Giving to others and being given. I Am That, as you are. If there is a 'herd', we are both in it, inseparably a part of it. Affecting it and being affected by it.

No hon, that would be -your- solution. That would be the solution in line with the ideology you both oppose and continue to perpetuate by your undying faith in it. Alpha male status is a poisonous myth. Perhaps you'd consider occasionally interacting with your fellow human as an -equal-, for your mutual reward, instead of always worrying about who's the dominant one, who's in charge, who has power, who is vulnerable, who's coming out better?

I believe that women tend to create more cooperative social structures because we are actually taught the value of cooperative behavior. You could learn a lot from spending some time trying to really understand the female viewpoint, and trying to take on elements of it as your own. Try sitting down and reading a few dozen young adult books written for girls and trying to view them through the eyes of a child. Much of it I see as somewhat harmful to young girls, because of an overabundance f certain ideas. But they could be good for balancing out someone who's been fed so much macho hyper-competitive bs.

You are not separate. You will never be. The cruelty you see is in the mirror. The snake you see is you. You Are That.

Hmm? Now I wonder who it is you are talking to...? This is nothing I've said. And yet, I do occasionally take a stance against some who claim to be 'moralists'. I have no issue with moralists who champion hard work, compassion, loving-kindness, charity, peace, or service to humanity. The moralists I take issue with are those who's sole campaigns seem to be telling others what pleasures are and aren't 'wholesome'. Those who seek to guilt and shame and punish any who step outside of some arbitrary rule set which has nothing at all to do with love. Those who call sinful those simple pleasures that life offers freely, and that make life worth living.

Perhaps those 2 mad invented gods are not the only possibilities? What of Love? What of that which gave rise to those feelings of pity, of compassion for that girls in the first place? There is no 'gene god'. What a ridiculous notion. And this is why taking scientific theory as a religion is madness. If the gene god were all, the one -you- have invented piecemeal from the theoretical musing of fools, then there would be no desire to rail against it. It would be all that motivated you. And yet, since it is -not-; since it is not all that motivates you, perhaps it is possible to for a moment consider that it is not all that motivates all humans? That perhaps you are not so special, not so unique in having other motivations?

And if others have other motivations, if others are conflicted like you, the theory of the selfish gene god is proven false. And so you can perhaps pull your head out of the cloud of illusions you've spread across your own vision and actually see humans as they are, instead of how you imagine them. Whole, yet imperfect. Motivated by selfish desires yet moved by compassion and empathy. Noble and corrupt. Poised in the space between the rising ape and the falling angel.

Your worm's eye view is narrow indeed. For the ideology you call dominant is not. It merely declares it's dominance, and many other ideologies do not challenge it. For other ideologies are less concerned with dominance. Those 2 that you see, evo-psych and Catholicism, vie for power, prestige, dominance. Vie in greedy battle for the position of 'top dog'. While other ideologies shake their heads and ignore them and their meaningless battle. Both have already lost.

The past 30 years have not been a time of such loss. They've been a time of adjustment. The previous 30 had been of great upheaval, and we are taking our time to sort out where we are before moving forward again. To take stock of how things have affected us before deciding the next course of action. This is wise. Now things are starting to move again. Global environmental concerns are rising to the world stage. Cooperatives and communes are popping up in urban areas. The word 'Socialism' is being bantered, quietly, as something other than a curse word. Volunteerism is on the rise, as is self-sufficiency, as people react to a loss of faith in the mass economy, and turn to their communities.

You see a world without religion as a horrible thing, worrying we will fall into brutality. Yet violent crime has been in steady and constant decline over the past 50 years. Motion to legalize marijuana will soon drop arrests in this country by another 20%, practically overnight. Research on LSD, the chemical that played such a huge role in the social consciousness of the 60s, has reopened. We've recently gotten our first black president, and come close to having our first woman.

I don't see this as the end of history, merely a slow down from the frenzied pace of the last century. And yet progress continues. Equity is continuing to approach. We're now realizing the foolishness of the 80's and there is much motion toward reversing the damage that our monetary ideologies of the time did.

You are, in a way, a vanguard. Not a throwback from a previous age, but a harbinger of things to come. An example of one raised on the ideals of hyper-competitive, self-centered, self-righteous male dominance culture who has seen it as a hollow and petty concern. If you can find your way past this illusion that you yourself admit to having a 'religious faith' in, perhaps you will do a better job then I of showing others the way out of it. I differ in that I never bought it to begin with.

I continue to feel you are reading someone else, and not responding to what I am actually saying. That you are really missing everything I have to say, because your idea of what I am saying is bizarre.

I do not suggest you simply lay down and accept what you view as the dominant ideal. I suggest that you fight it. I suggest that you act, and act, and act. That you follow love as your only guide, and let what the 'majority' does be damned. The individual against the state is -not- wrong, so long as the 'state' does not represent the people. And it -doesn't-. So long as the state represents tyranny and a failure of love.

Your idea of what society is telling you is disturbed. No one is telling you this. Stop it. The only ones pushing the ideal of sexual sadism are the ones who benefit from it. The sadists themselves. Your idea of what the majority think is ALL IN YOUR HEAD. It is wrong. Incorrect. Flawed. Your reasoning is damaged.

That is where you went wrong. You bought the words of a few loud liars and now call it Truth.

No, your original OP has been answered again and again that women do -not- reward sadists. Just because that is what TV depicts doesn't make it -true-. Humanity puts up with sadism because humanity is -afraid-. Afraid to take a stand against it. Afraid to lose what little rewards the system as is offers. Afraid that nothing they ever do, as individuals, will be enough. Afraid that each one of them is alone in their opposition. Feeling alone against a world of sadists. Feeling afraid to ever trust anyone, to ever cooperate, for fear of being 'used'.

But there are other ways to be, other ways to live. And people do live other ways. Get out of the sicker, more twisted avenues of the internet. Get off the TV. Get out into the world. Meet people, real people. Have real conversations. Go to places where people are trying. Where people are putting in real, hard, selfless work to try to better the world. Where people are failing sometimes, yet getting up and trying again. Where people are missing chances to be considerate, hurting those they love, and yet being forgiven.

Or, continue as you are. In your own idea of what the word holds, afraid to ever actually look at it. So in love with your hate that you are afraid to be proven wrong. So terrified of being used, being vulnerable, suffering 'indignity', being humbled, that you would rather wallow in hatred and self-pity, all while gloating in your smug self-righteousness. Safe in your own delusion that you are so much better than everyone else, you fail to see that this mirrors perfectly the causes of what you see as evil in the world.

 

Yeah, my debating is kinda more like thesis or speech writing than like proper forum decorum. But some things require brevity.

 

It's quite remarkable, it's all so over the top you going to meet yourself on the way down

Nah, continue as you are, you're pretty interesting