only so many?

? what do you mean.

I think it gets to the point where you smoke just to separate yourself from being normal (even if you're not super high)... no? (that's y ppl smoke, ya?)

 

I'v been there man, I know exactly what you mean.

 

yeah thanks man!


but yeah all ur peoples posts are awsum. umm yeah i guess some people just grow out of it perhaps. with age comes a change of perspective aswell. like no one wants to be stagnent in life always doing drugs. for me i realised i had to get my shit straight and start acting like a normal person again. altho i did become worried of being "too changed". like i want to have a family and kids and stuff, and dont want to be so fried in the mind thats its all too difficult. just depends how far down the rabit whole u want to go. and realising that dosing can take years to have recovery n still then its with u kinda thing.
ofcourse, i supose im looking at it from the dossing every weekend, or every month point of view. cause thats what really changes everything. takes over ur life. changes ur persona and ur friends and relationships with girls or family members. so like any other drug u gotta be carefull.
just imagine doing ice for example for years and years, in its own way, that drug will have detrimental effects on that person quite significant, the more he does the more significant.
so i supose what i mean, is to try n stop acid before the bad long lasting significant life changing effects kick in. cause dont be fooled i think there would be for sure.

they also government did vigorous testing on acid for many years, universities and other institutions. and came to all pretty much the same conclusion. acid doesnt really have any benefits. apparently doesnt improve creativity. i cant remember but yeah, at the end of all these studies, and the effects on thousnads of test subjects, LSD slowly became banned, black listed, and illegalised.

taking lsd is chasing the dream. the dream in ur mind. the one that seems to make so much damn sense. but in the end it all wears off. and what have u left? unless u keep dosing? then r left with side effects?

thats my view. so dont go nuts at me.
lsd deffinatly showed me that dream, the most amazing things, the apreciation for life and all that. at the end of the day its just an escape, a trip. its important not to let it take control of ur mind.
its a psychadelic aka mind manifesting.

What im saying is, some people believe in doing everything once. Imagine just doing ice a few times, lsd a few times, xtc a few times in ones life... they would get the benefits,the life experience but not gett lost in the power of these drugs. And the side effects of repeated use...
Thats what I mean.

 

Your entitled to your view Peter, but when you want to refer to government research and all, maybe you should do your homework before you speak. Basically you are totally wrong about the results of the research done then and going on now.

Comparing ice (methamphetamine) to LSD is like comparing getting hit with a water balloon to getting hit with an RPG, completely different things. Methamphetamine is very addictive, absolutely ravages a person's body and does life long physical damage if done too much, too often.

You really should pick up a book on occasion and learn something about what your talking about before you speak.
Unless of course it's like neodude suggested and you just post this uneducated, moronic, crap to get a reaction out of people.
Is this your picture Peter?
:troll:

 

i have to disagree with this, although i still have some smoking years ahead of me so we will see. but i have been smoking for a decade, and pretty much daily for 7 or 8 of those years. i still smoke (or vape) to get high. i feel "normal" when i wake up in the morning, before i smoke anything.

are you guys smoking heroin?

 

daily and how often per day? just once? multiple times around responsibilities?

I'm actually gonna give Peter the thumbs up here. I very much agree with this. LSD sure as hell is fun, but ultimately you are going in yourself and having psuedo-epiphanies to problems and questions you created -- and a lot of the times, unchecked, I'd very much wager you're just high as shit and making meaning where meaning needs not be.

... and once the trip is over, you do very much return back to the ol' sober mind.

'The search oneself' is another one of those 'dog chasing its tail' phenomenons I find weird that many people spend their lives after. What exactly are you searching? Life's already in front of you... deal with that, and perhaps have some fun and come up with some interesting conclusions about it yourself along the way.

*Some thoughts

 

No, it just can be as though the "high" state of mind supplants the "normal".

Quit smoking for about 3-4 weeks and the difference becomes apparent. Just stopping for an evening or a day doesn't really get you completely back to baseline.
That is based on three decades of smoking.

 

i agree that i could take some time off from smoking. someday i will.
i know i'm being picky with words, but although i'd say it's normal for me to be high, i wouldn't say i get high to feel normal

and i hear what peter is saying "taking lsd is chasing the dream. the dream in ur mind. the one that seems to make so much damn sense. but in the end it all wears off. and what have u left? unless u keep dosing? then r left with side effects?" and i can kinda agree with that - although i do think tripping in general has changed me in a slight way for the better, but that was done after only a couple trips. now i do it pretty much for recreation, even though i do it alone and take it seriously.
some hippie once told me that with tripping acid, she felt like she was searching for some ultimate truth that she never found. that was a weird night when i met her...

 

It's the problem with looking for meaning where there is none. It can be an eye opener but it's not the end-all

 

yeah good shit some people who understand where im comming from.

some of the other dudes on this forum seem to have a very closed mind about acid and think its the be all and end all of everything. there just swept away in its power. and they give me shit for putting a downer on their wonder drug.

 

hmm really interesting about what that hippie lady said. hmmm

 

firstly, ur the idiot. i wasnt comparing ice and lsd on that level. if u read my post, i was just saying there both drugs, and both take their toll on ur mind. ice is powerfull mind stimulant, that fries ur mind, gives u psychosis. lsd also throws ur mind into overdrive, also causing psychosis in some people. lsd may not do physical damage, but certainly can do psychological damage.

iv done countless hours of research on acid and drugs since my school days.
the fact is, lsd never eventuated to anything in clinical psychology or as a weapon. well still could be a weapon if used right.
in the end, after my use of lsd, it has granted me no supernatural powers, just a bit more insightfull and unstable, and overly sensitive to foods. with some crazy ass memories of amazing and profound reality distortions, and some strong beleifs against god, and towards creation, and humans are merely animals, and the death of a human should be of no more significance than that of a dog, and humans are shit realy. so i have gained that understanding, which i dont think i would have without acid. the loss of meaning of language? hmm yeah a difference view of the world. postive tho.

apparently when i was at uni, i did some psychology subjects, and the lecturer said a few things about acid.
they said the thing with a schiozophrenic patient is the barrier between there subconscious and their conscious isnt in tact. so their reality is mixed with there dreams. just like lsd right. well lsd breaks down that barrier thus u trip out. well the more acid u take, the further that barrier is demolished. thus after lots of hallucinogens u see patterns on things and start gettin weird n stuff. so effectivly by repeated use of lsd, in the "normal" psychological world, u are making urself schizophrenic. with every dose.

anyway i cant concenttrarte

iv read all the stuff about how lsd was tested...
go on what were the benefits ? enlighten me?

 

maybe LSD wasn't accepted as a tool in psychology b/c it became illegal to do so? also, it may have been abused to some extent in the 60s and there are a handful of social reasons not inherent to LSD itself that make it not a psychological tool of today

 

:rofl:
At least I know how to spell and use the English language properly.

You sure you want to go down that path with me Peter?
You will only end up looking more foolish than you already do.

 

Alcoholism treatment;
Alcoholism has been treated using psychedelics, namely LSD, with fairly good results, averaging a 50% success rate when done in tandem with supportive counseling and follow up care. As there is good deal of literature concerning this topic I will just provide a quick excerpt and links and I encourage the reader to investigate them on their own. As an interesting side note Bill Wilson the founder of AA was "cured" of his drinking while undergoing treatment utilizing barbiturates and belladonna, a very dangerous delerient hallucinogen. He later became involved with Humphrey Osmond and Abraham Hoffer in their work with LSD and fully supported it and Wilson himself took LSD in 1956 http://csp.org/chrestomathy/pass_it_on.html.

"Bill loved LSD. He urged everyone he knew to try it, including his wife Lois, his secretary Nell Wing, his friend Dr. Jack Norris, Reverend Sam Shoemaker, and Father Ed Dowling. He even thought his mother might benefit.

My Name Is Bill; Bill Wilson — His Life And The Creation Of Alcoholics Anonymous, Susan Cheever, page 241."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-10/uoa-ltf100606.php

"For the past five years, Dr. Erika Dyck has been unearthing some intriguing facts related to a group of pioneering psychiatrists who worked in Saskatchewan, Canada in the '50s and '60s."

"The LSD somehow gave these people experiences that psychologically took them outside of themselves and allowed them to see their own unhealthy behavior more objectively, and then determine to change it," said Dyck, who read the researchers' published and private papers and recently interviewed some of the patients involved in the original studies--many of whom had not had a sip of alcohol since their single LSD experience 40 years earlier."


http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/hoffer.htm


"Within a few years after our first patients were treated, we became aware that a large proportion of our alcoholics did not have psychotomimetic reactions. Their experiences were exciting and pleasant, and yielded insight into their drinking problems. It became evident that a new phenomenon had been recognized in psychiatry. Osmond created the word psychedelic to define these experiences, and announced this at a meeting of the New York Academy of Sciences in 1957."


http://www.psychedelic-library.org/savage.htm

"Case History of Excessive Drinking with Improvement Following LSD

This was a 30-year-old radiologist who consulted the writer in 1959. He complained that for the past year he had nightly drunk himself to sleep, and then awoke with nightmares in the middle of the night. His wife would become enraged at being awakened and he would spend the rest of the night crying. He was depressed, unable to work. However, his chief complaint, of years duration, was an inability to feel or experience.


"It was as if I was inside a glass shell. I mean I could see out and people could see in, but I couldn't talk or feel."..........." It was the patient's suggestion that LSD be tried, which was done after fourteen preliminary psychotherapeutic interviews."................. "


At that moment he reported a mystic enlightenment, a kind of satori. He experienced feeling, closeness with the therapist, with himself and the universe (and, after the session, with his wife). In the evening he telephoned to tell me how grateful he was. He had experienced completely successful sexual relations for the first time. He began to pour his energy into his work, and nightly drinking sessions were no longer required."


Dr. Humphrey Osmond was one of the main pioneers into this field of treatment, so here are a few links about him and his work.

http://www.maps.org/people/osmond/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC381240

http://www.maps.org/media/nyt022204.html


Cluster headache treatment.

Cluster Headaches;


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cluster-headache/


"A cluster headache is one of the most painful types of headache. A striking feature of cluster headache is that the attacks occur in cyclical patterns, or clusters — which gives the condition its name.

Bouts of frequent attacks — known as cluster periods — may last from weeks to months, usually followed by remission periods when the headache attacks stop completely. The pattern varies from one person to another, but most people have one or two cluster periods a year. During remission, no headaches occur for months, and sometimes even years"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_headache


There is a lot of promising research going on using LSD and Psilocybin (magic mushrooms) to treat cluster headaches and break the cycle of recurrence.

"The authors interviewed 53 cluster headache patients who had used psilocybin or lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) to treat their condition. Twenty-two of 26 psilocybin users reported that psilocybin aborted attacks; 25 of 48 psilocybin users and 7 of 8 LSD users reported cluster period termination; 18 of 19 psilocybin users and 4 of 5 LSD users reported remission period extension. Research on the effects of psilocybin and LSD on cluster headache may be warranted."


This is the flagship study and it has garnered a tremendous amount of support. There is a lot of references online to this study of which I offer a couple of links;


http://www.helpforheadaches.com/articles/psilocybi

http://headaches.about.com/od/clusterheadaches/a/m


Another man's experience;

http://www.naturalnews.com/026015.html

http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/102400/lsd_cu


Here is a risk report about the aforementioned research
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qGGR_ehqIb0J:www.clusterbusters.com

LSD and Psilocybin are also being studied as agents to help relieve anxiety in terminal cancer patients and others suffering from severe anxiety.


http://www.maps.org/research/cluster/psilo-lsd/

http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=979

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/dying.htm

http://www.psychointegrator.com/?p=408

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v16n3/cancer_psyc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_therapy

Shall I continue, I literally have HUNDREDS of references to similar research.
Peter your an ass above all others.

 

that was FAST

 

I'll admit I just copy/pasted from the debate I had with another idiot on this very subject. But I do have a lot of links to resources that I didn't use in that debate.
As a matter of a fact, Peter maybe you should go check it out because you sound a lot like the moron I challenged to a debate then made him look like a complete dipshit on his own website.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Medical-Studies-Prove-The-Extensive-Damage-LSD-Does-To-The-Body-Mind

p.s. Peter there are a lot of big words in the research material, maybe you could have your Mommy read it to you.

 

Who's the biggest bad ass with Googling skills?! You are Bro!

 

Between just shrooms and acid I've tripped probably around 40 times. Decent doses of each normally too, 1/8 of shrooms every time, and for acid if possible normally 4-5 hits. I think I'm pretty fine.

 

More:

LSD has actually scientifictly been proven to have great clinical success from everything from creativity to coping with terminal illness to addiction. Studies are a bit dry and numbers quick to read,, so for a good general overview on how much LSD has been clinically proven to be useful in psychology I advise go watching "National Geographic's Explorer: Inside LSD", that came out last year. It's a really great documentary. It was on google a month or two ago.