Could it happen differently

Recently while on LSD I was thinking about this

The human race must have began as one, single community, but people put themselves into different groups (religions ect...) and by doing this they seperated themselves from the rest of mankind. These narcisisstic humans then became obsessed with what they falsly believed was progress. The "progress" however, was only tearing humanity further and further apart until the leaders of each group, all beleiving that they were the supirior group, and all propeled by selfish ambition, used violent methods on other groups, eventualy leading to the human race destroying itself.
Saddened by how stupid and pointless the world is, I began to wonder if this could have been avoided. What if, we had done something different that produced a different result than mans iminent self destruction? After pondering how the end result could end up differently, I decided that even if it could have been different, the alternent present was something that to me, was unknowable. This is because I have such a limited view of society's potential, that I can't think outside what I am forced to believe by living in it.
I thought of one example: imagine a community of people living in a black and white world. All colors are absent. These people would not be able to think up colors on their own, because there is no way for them to comprehend something that their world does not allow them to experience.
The selfeshness of humans, and the fact that we can never change disappointed me

 

I like your example. The way I see it, existence is evolution of ideas and concepts. And it's hard to picture ourselves living any other way than the way we've learned. It'd be like preplanning a StarTrek lifestyle as a caveman.

But yah, I seriously doubt the troubles of humanity started with simple religion, or if it was religion then it would be something totally incomparable to what we understand it as today. I think most of history is guided by leaders and followers. The follows accept what "is", and leaders create what they want. For corruption or benevolence that seems to be the basic pattern.

 

I wasn't suggesting that religion is the cause of all problems, I'm just pointing out that when someone seperates themself into any kind of group they are seperating themselves from the rest of the world.

I also liked what you said about leaders and followers, followers just want the truth, and leaders provide them with one.

 

Yah, but I don't think separation is a problem (not sayin you are sayin it is). I think the only problem is when we are headed in a direction that we dont wanna go. Like me, I totally don't belong to the lifestyle I'm in. So I'm not trying to separate, I'm simply living my truth =p.

But about the leader/followers. It seems like most people are happy dancing, gettin drunk/high, watchin t.v., and doin that type of routine. The people who lead the world are the ones who make intellectual societies, research and develop, dream social movements, and create. Some people are sleepwalking, and others paint a dream for them. I mean we have all this information and technology to link us together, yet these resources haven't been utilized fully by the common man. Our minds are still bent on the ancient models of consumer/producer, 9-5 work weeks when such a tool could revolutionize the world.

You could even say that our minds haven't properly adapted to the "now", we have the tools at our exposal but we haven't dreamed the dream yet. We haven't laid its blueprints.

 

Societies current model is based on growth. Which I believe is led and engineered by corporations. We need a new model which is sustainability. Not growth. Example. globalism.

 

Good insight Lostthought. I too am disappointed by the irrefutable fact of human greed and corruption. But now you find yourself in a position to truly move in this reality. With the full realization of what the human world and reality consist of comes a certain freedom. It is a hard road and many can not or will not follow it to it's end. The pain and disappointment is the growth that is necessary to truly be alive. Most people, especially in these modern times, have a very tenuous grasp on reality. And most are comfortable with that. But they don't know. Yes the road is hard,lonesome, sometimes terrifying. But the constant search of the truth must be an important part of life, perhaps the answer to our endless searching for purpose. It offers the opportunity to exist for real and to affect real change. It allows for true personal growth. Veritas vos liberabit
May the truth-seekers continue to forge a blazing path through the darkness of ignorance.
May the truth-seekers know that they are not alone. We walk these paths together, around the world and through the ages.

 

This appears to be the only true statement in your entire post.

 

You could differ more constructively instead of just pointing out what you see as errors.... or (humorously?) highlight the easier route by pointing out what you see as the single truth.

 

haha... I totaly forgot about this post. Pretty sure it was my first one.

And thanks lostone

thanks for the insight, it really opened my eyes. After reading that I feel truly convinced that my theories have no merit.

Excuse me, I need to go revaluate my life.

 

Sorry, I'm kind of drunk and my humor only comes in two variety - self-deprecating or indulgent.
And stinkfoot, sometimes negativity is only perceived, not present.

 

Sometimes yes, but I suspect we differ in this instance.

 

i perceived the negativity too, and i've perceived it a few times from you neodude. maybe sometimes negativity is present, but not intended?

i liked this post. glad it got bumped

 

Along with the (inadvertent?) negativity I've seen some brilliant posts- though the varying degree of civility offered to different folks who respond suggests a sense of being above having to actually engage in constructive debate beyond making a show of disproving, debunking, or otherwise brandishing a presumably superior intellect.

I've been on the receiving end of this treatment myself a couple times... where I had the nagging suspicion that the response was intended simply to put me "in my place" without bothering to justify any difference of opinion.

 

Probably you perceived it because it was there, not because it wasn't intended.
I'm upfront with my negativity most of the time because I realize it's something that everyone has in their lives and I would rather be honest about it to my own social detriment rather than repress it and put on an act.
Lots of people within the psychedelic community often accuse me of negativity or nihilism, and to be honest it always makes me laugh, because complete negativity and absurdism remain in the realm that is beyond most people's comprehension and yet compromises not even .000000001% of my divine vision.

In this instance, outside I stepped on a slug while barefoot, and the only thing more disgusting than the slow, squelching, pop-less wet squish was the empathetic sight of a poor baby slug in a pool of it's own liquids next to it's big beautiful earth mother while a grand cosmic guilt threatened to engulf me upon the always resetting and ever-present ontological realization that my mere existence is harmful to myself and the world around me.
Go through that, drink a 12 pack and then come talk to me about negativity.

 

I find that many people do this, in normal life as well as online. I never really noticed it though, until I began seeing it constantly in text. At first, I believed it is just something "holyer than thou" people say when they lack a legitiment response to my statement, but I have since relized that more often then not people just expect that everyone else views the statement the same way they do and an explanation is completly unnecessary. Either that, or they're just being lazy.

 

Thanks for the neg rep porkstock.
It's nice to know I'm the only one here petty enough to resort to negativity LOL

 

Yeah I do see that but don't think it necessarily fits completely here-- though I do try to give the benefit of the doubt- if nothing else that prevents me from engaging in that vain and myself turning the exchange into exactly what I don't want to participate in.

There's also the popularly (but not universally) held assumption that everyone out there wants to hear what one has to say. That was a tough demon for me to shake... and I still harbor traces of it to this day. Awareness of that ego-driven delusion has me far less likely to escalate things these days. It really boils down to the fact that so much of what I see in others that gets under my skin does so mostly because it reminds me of some unflattering aspects of who I am.

 

^^^it's probably because i'm high, but i always have to read your posts at least twice to extract all the wisdom

i can agree with that

1) i was responding to

and i can definitely appreciate being upfront with one's negativity. i've been like that since 9th grade probably. if i didn't like someone (just an example), what's the point in pretending? i don't like to beat around the bush either.

2) awesome, sad story. i don't think i need to drink a 12 pack to understand

hey, i'm just being upfront like you

 

Don't feel so bad about that... I often have to go back and re-read them to ensure they make sense before posting... I often will take a topic off on a tangent and have forgotten to bring it back on leaving a topical fragment just dangling... waiting for the conclusion I've forgotten to furnish.

Be happy all you have to do is read them... I gotta write the fucking things!

 

i think it's just your vocabulary. it reads more like a novel than a stoner