25 mg will make the walls unfold revealing a starry night sky. You will temporarily but completely lose reality on 25 mg of fumarate. We took 28 mg for our first time and tripped our fucking balls off for 3 and a half hours and were not fried at all after. But it DOES NOT fry you out at all; complete lucidity and a peaceful state of mind follows the comedown of 4-AcO-DMT; it is a beautiful synthetic. It'll be like an eighth of your average street cubensis at 25 mg in short.
well an eighth of average cubes doesn't make the walls unfold for me. an eighth of fire shrooms might. it doesn't matter. i'm sure i'll love the 4aco. more than ACID though?! i doubt that.
I just took 15mg with a friend last weekend to see where it was at. came up in about an hour pretty swiftly. defiantly felt it but not as intense as i was lookin for, just kinda giggle light headed with intensified colors, tomorrow ima drop probably about 22 though so it should put me where im aiming, ill let u no.
I've only done 4-aco-DMT once, and submitted the story to erowid. I did it prior to trying ketamine, and I think the experience made me better prepared for K. Good, solid trip for sure. I look forward to my next endeavor with this one!
4 AcO DMT really makes me think about the drug scene of human history as a whole and be thankful for these amazing reactions our brains are capable of hosting. 4-AcO-DMT is straight up god powder.
I don't know there's a few different ways of looking at it... I am only on the beginning of "shrooms" I only ate the real thing a few days ago at 3 grams once. I had a little .250 sack of the shit we're talking about now where all but 40 mg went into my mouth, but holy fuck do I love shrooms... [I never bad tripped on acid either, of psychedelics, acid seems to be more of a "toy" it is just as powerful but more agreeable, it's less of an assault on your senses and more of a stream flowing gently into... [Not to say it's not as unstoppable as any other] Then again highest number of hits of acid I ate - 3 and I god damned can't even imagine getting a ten strip in me... These ten strip munchers on here have to have acid that's been handled improperly or weak or something, because I don't think I'd ever come back from 10 of these. 1 made me completely lose reality... colorful translucent leaf patterns with veinous translucent stems with psychedelic liquid flowing through them, while small kaleidoscopes flew all around me... oh my god just 1 hit of acid is intense but crave-able on a day like today...] (hmm... fingers kept going while brain wandered... but back to the thread title) Will CURE fried from acid in my experience. Nobody else has commented to say it worked or didn't work but maybe nobody was fried from LSD when they took their shroom dust....
i'm pretty sure the people on here eating 10 strips don't have weak acid. i've only eaten as much as 4 at a time, and i too can't imagine what 10 or more is like. and i'm pretty sure my 4 hits were kinda weak.
Shit well I didn't know until now how scary the people on here are lol a ten strip is not for me here in society... if I find myself at a festival or something though... I do want to have a heroic dose I just can't do it on campus...
^ If you ever do take 10, you will have a new respect for LSD, because you will come back, and perfectly, and gently, and the effects of increasing dose are not just additive, not just multiplicative, but truly fractal. The graph generated by plotting x axis: dose, y axis: experience is like a crazy spiral and bursts off the page. Increasing the dose of acid to those levels increases the depth of the effects, but the effects stay the same. the unloosening of reality and the flow of the stream of pure holiness is simply made much more concrete and undeniable, much more ingrained in the most basic latice of reality. and yes setting is highly important on those kinds of doses, you will be severely incapacitated. <3
it seems like LSD is what you compare all else to, so you may not love 4-aco-dmt more than L. idk though, you might want to start with at least 30mg with the 4-aco-dmt if an eight of mushrooms left you any less than bewildered
4-aco-dmt made me think very retrospectively about human drug use as well. and it's mystesism has only ever been matched by mushrooms, or 4-aco-dmt+2c-c, but i'm not sure that counts.
i guess i only compare everything to L, is because i have the most experience with it. and like a lot of people, i consider it to be a pretty safe and harmless to the body. i usually enjoyed shrooms too, it's just been a long time. and they are hit or miss for me. sometimes you get shitty, weak shrooms. that could go for L too i suppose. but an eighth of good shrooms certainly had me tripping hard and bewildered, just not seeing visuals like described. i'm not expecting 4acodmt to be at all like LSD, so i won't try to compare them directly. but it's ok to have your favorites. i'm sure i will like 4aco regardless
Someone had 13mg measured out for today, but somehow this wasn't the right day. Some significantly higher doses discussed here in this thread. Does anyone have any thoughts on how much a supplementary does might be (if one started with 13mg) and how long after dropping to take? Or is 13 just too low? Thanks - and nice trip report, Cosmic elf.
I feel like most people compare their tripps to LSD or shrooms just cus there more or less the benchmark psychedelics, they r what most people have taken so ofcourse its what most people compare it too, when i first started researching RCs i usually read about any given 2c being like acid + what have u, as time goes on and people expand their pallet i think their benchmarks will switch up i apologies for the hijack though, probably for another thread
liquid, 13mg is quite low. It would be most like threshold effects to light effects, possibly some slight relaxation, slight euphoria, things looking softer . . . nothing serious
Thanks man. The pattern seems to be one of caution. Cosmic Elf experienced some ego loss on 17mg. Maybe that would a good place to start?
i would say 20mg is a good solid first time dose of 4-aco-dmt. the equivalent of 1-2 hits of acid if this were acid.
i agree, not so much about the acid, i took two hits my first time and it was much more intense but i guess most tabs differ. i took 15 mg of 4 aco dmt my first time and it wasnt that deep at all. my second dose was 23 mg and i think if your comfortable tripping you will be comfortable with 20 mg. that still wasnt what i was looking for though so at the end of the week i hope to drop 30 mg.
We started with 28 mg because we figured "what could go wrong?" Gladly nothing happened except my friend turning green and thinking he was dying and I whispered to a sober in the room, "Is he green?" and he was just like, "Yeah, he's green." [For any of you who know the story the sober guy in the room was the 2 hits of acid window-headed racially insensitive freakout.] I did lose all color vision during a bit of the peak, it happened for about 30 seconds twice... it was pretty fuckin unreal. Think "I love Lucy" but everything in the world not just your TV screen looking like that, well maybe not there were only a whole bunch of translucent shades of black and white and gray layering and moving just no colors, even on things that are colorful sober! But if I had to pick a starting dose for someone I know nothing about I'd say 20 mg. We snorted .012 a piece and I got a little high but nothing too much I don't think this one will give you any increased effects from snorting it.
he turned green? did he feel like shit or did his color just freak him out? i ask because i ate shrooms (and some dexi's and rum and obviously weed) at an outdoor conert thing and it rained in the beginning but after that i started turning yellow. straight up yellow. for like 3 hours i was completely yellow. not the whites of my eyes but my skin. but i felt fine. i felt great. but everyone looking at me like i was dieing was no good. like people just staring from every direction whispering to their friend to look at the yellow kid just made me lose my shit. and then the flaming lips came on and my yellowness immediately disappeared.