American Hypocrisy

The CIA didn't create Al Queda. The fact that something would be incredibly convenient if it were true, and that fact that something would confirm all our prejudices and preconceptions if it were true, do not make it true.

But you're still trying to get around the fact that sometimes humanitarian aid is rewarded with terrorism. Which would suggest that the US is not 100% guilty of everything, and which leads to the sort of confusion and dismay that make people want to change the topic to myths like "the CIA created Al Queda".

 

We also have more people then anyone else except China and India.
Our veterans actually do get pretty good benefits when compared.
We may be full of rascist people, but that's the great thing about America is that people are free to think what they like.
So have other countries, the law is the law, help change it.
All countries in the top 10 are almost equall, and the last list I saw had us at #3 for living along with wages, we could be even higher if Americans had some common sense when it came to money, the only people that make more then us are in Norway(which after taxes there it's probably less) and Luxembourg, but in our country, people are up past their asses in debt, then once the bill collectors come, they lose everything, the 20's are happening again.

 

Spreading more of your lies again PB. Must be nice to live in your happy jingoistic revisionist delusions im sure.

 

well. I thought the pic would be appropriate for the title of the thread. It's directed at a certain segment of the public. It was a reaction to much of the information found on the texasgop site. The truth is that the blind in lockstep are pretty much the only ones who don't see the hippocrisy. A comfortably numb existance that denies the rest of humanity outside of their own ethnocentric, self serving, motives. Logic, reason, nor even real compassion speak to these people. For the rest of us it's just a matter of common sense.

 

Pointbreak, whoever said America was guilty of things 100 percent? You need to start replying with CLARITY, so that someone can understand your posts, instead of posting passionate, jingonistic type shit. I'd say that America does create many of its own problems, though.

 

My post is pretty damn clear. People say "oh if only we gave aid, people would like us.". Well, sometimes we give aid and they try to kill us anyway, and I gave an example. People who were unconfortable with that truth jumped in to say "well but the US is guilty anyway, after all we created Al Qaeda". Which isn't true, so I pointed that out as well.

All people want to do here is try to find a way that the US is guilty. So if one way fails, change the argument and try again. And again. What we can't do is accept that maybe some things aren't our fault.

This goes along with the theory that only America exercises free will. The actions of all other people in the world (Saddam, Iraqi insurgents, Al Queda, Fidel Castro, etc.) are only logical REactions to our actions. Thus America must be to blame for its own actions and the actions of everyone else.

 

One point that I believe to be a given is that $100-200 billion spent on any or all of the following: securing our borders, giving the Immigration and Naturalization Service nearly anything it needs to become a more effective agency in streamlining legal immigration while preventing illegal immigration, securing nuclear materials in the former Soviet Union, inspecting more cargo that comes in to the country, educating our children so they become intelligent enough to understand that the world is bigger than just America...

would be preferable to spending it on a war that ends up killing thousands of innocent civilians to show how immoral it was for terrorists to kill innocent civilians, and creating more of the original problem in the process--terrorists.

 

Pointbreak, you make me sound like a terrorist sympathizer or something. My position is this- I do not support anyone who kills another human being, whether that be an iraqi terrorist, a US soldier, or some sick murderer.

But look at our actions. We did not try to use REASON at all. Our religious leadership blinded us through the media, and instilled fear in us to support this war. You seemed to have the idea that Americans are logical, and I must stress to you that I feel that this is very, very false. We're the most illogical people of any civilized nation, I mean how can the rest of the world hold one solid opinion, while only 300 million people who live inside it's padded borders feel another way? We have been conditioned. Face it.

This is why I cannot support any action that our government takes to imtimidate or threaten other nations. We want them to feel that, so that it will give us an excuse to fight. Now, if our government and media did its job, like actually educating its citizens and creating free-willed and thinking individuals, as any 'good' government should strive for, then perhaps your arguements might be logical. But we are dealing with a very illogical people here, remember.

 

I don't consider you a terrorist sympathiser.

I think you'll find that people in the rest of the world, like Americans, hold a multitude of opinions.

You'll also find that there are people on both sides of the Iraq debate who are smart and well informed, just as there are people who are on both sides of it that are clueless and merely following their prejudices.

So we sat at home and took care of our own problems while 800,000 people were killed in Rwanda in 1998. Was that a foreign policy success? Should we look back with pride at the fact that we didn't impose our views on Rwanda?

 

you are all fuck heads and you all suck and your all fucking stupid. you know nothing and i laugh.

 

wow, you're really smart, just remember to use your indoor mouth.

 

PB, The CIA is completely at fault for Al Queda's creation, they completely funded and made the mahujadeen possible during the soviet invasion, Al queda is simply a terrorist organization whos members branched off from the Mahujadeen.

peace and Love,
Dan

 

The Mujahadeen existed before and after the CIA had any interest in them. Remember, Osama was a millionaire, he was doing just fine on his own in Afghanistan. And it's not like we taught them how to hijack airliners, all we did was give them small arms to fight the Soviet occupation.

 

It's all bullshit, if you ask me. All I see are these people who are passionate enough to kill for whatever beliefs they profess, and if they are that stupid, then they probably should be dead.

 

PB, you try and make it sound so justifiable....ohh...all we did was train them how to use weapons on the soviets, no biggy...the fact is the CIA helped out the Mujahadeen more than Osama Bin laden, and ...oh no they weren't trained by us to fly planes...oh no...it is just a coinceidence that a number of these suspected hijakers were trained at the pensecola naval airstation in the US! and OBL is a CIA asset in itself who was even on their payroll, Saddam, OBL...All these guys are bad but you will find the majority of succesful dictators were creations or atleast funded heavily by the US federal government, wall street, and the CIA...

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

It's called 'create your own enemy'.

 

The fact that we gave money to the ISI which then went to OBL only makes OBL a "CIA asset" in a meaningless sense. Ho Chi Minh worked with the OSS, did that make North Vietnam a CIA asset? CIA agents helped train Arafat's security forces, does that make Yassir Arafat and the PLO into CIA assets?

 

I state once more. It's called 'create your own enemy'. I'll continue to make this statement.

 

God's right man... look at Cuba. Before Fidel took over, there was Batista and the mob and the CIA were all up in that biznitch. When Fidel was planning to take over, we knew and it was only a matter of time before the soviets knew as well. Our CIA tried to make an offer to Fidel, but Fidel didn't take it because he didn't believe in the CIA and the mob rule that was set in place in Cuba's casinos and capitalist economy. Fidel wanted his country to go back to the people and for everyone to be equal. Yeah, his core dream manifested itself in some fucked up ways, but those are minimal when compared to the dreams of most countries. After Fidel took the support of the soviets-the communist enemies who might have been able to be the next superpower instead of the U.S, the CIA decided they had seen enough of Fidel and they went in after him. They gave him funds and weapons before hand, trying to compete against the soviets, but instead the soviets made a much better deal and that pissed off our officials. We helped to fund our own enemy in that situation, and also in Afghanistan and in Iraq. All of the other countries' leaders see that all we're going to do is use them as a puppet so that we can exploit and peripherialize their economy, and somewhere deep down inside, they have the balls to tell us to fuck off and then we get all mad and go find illogical "reasons" to go in there and kick their asses and put our own new puppet in place.... like what happened in Iraq. That way there isn't a power vacuum for too long, and we can then take that country over via contracts and shady business deals that no one really understands other than the people in power. It's a new age of Imperialism and we sit by blindly supporting it and defending it. Do you believe in exploiting nations when they're hurting? Would you kick a dog in the face if it just lost it's legs to an eighteen-wheeler? I would hope not.

We are making our own enemies in hopes of finding that perfect puppet that allows us to pull ourselves out of our economic crisis, but for some reason, those damn people we put in power seem to be giving into their good will and defying our awesome rule. The nerve of those bastards....

Man, please.... don't be so blind. Read Machiavelli and learn how the system works... well, part of it. A large number of Business-minded people love that book, and so do a lot of political leaders.... it's kinda scary. Anyways, God is awesome.... Later

 

Right On Man....I agree 100%

Peace and Love,
Dan