pure white hcl alkaloids

Discussion in 'Cacti Delecti' started by ancient powers, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. ancient powers

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    No pictures are available to add to the possibility of incrimination. Recently due to the fact that NaOH became available to me, I could not resist the urge to experiment with extracting San Pedro Pachanoi var. The truth is I know where hundreds of San Pedro Pachanoi's grow. It makes it hard when you find new cacti's weekly.

    I did have a tek I invented awhile back that worked with extracting 3ft fresh cactus skin juice. Of course it is with the works of others before me which I added to my other theories. 2 strong doses of a crude brown sugary absorbic alkaloid which was very good.

    For years now I have been working with perfecting the art of extracting with common kitchen chemistry. I have tried many different teks.

    The reality is I have an endless supply of the pachanoi var. So perfection of the tek is inevitable. The first step is to harvest cacti prepare the skins, dry them, and powder them for extraction.

    So far I have started with 100gs per 1300ml water in a HDPE2 plastic ammonia bottle. This was taken from ekstaza's tek which is pretty damn revolutionary. The next extraction will test d-limonene as a solvant for extraction using the same amount of cactus powder.

    The next test will be to test the maximum amount of powder that can be used during the tek. I believe 100g is minimum and that the tek can extract more. 1ft cactus = 50g dried powder. So were only extracting 2ft which is really only 1 strong dose. But we will see for sure.

    Once the maximum amount of powder is observed, then work on cooking large amounts of powder and evaporating liquid to reveal a concentrated extraction powder that will yield 5x the amount of regular strength powder.

    So far todays simple extraction, seperation and evaporation took all about 3hrs. The siphoning process took like 5 seconds to get 300ml pure solvant layer into salting jar. The seperation of hcl water solution and xylene solvant was absolutely perfect. Complete evaporation took 2hrs and produced only 200mgs of pure white hcl crystals.

    The testing of how many extractions are need to completely extract all alkaloids and how much alkaloids are present in 100gs of SP powder is the main focus of this experiment now that the adjusted tek is producing very clean white hcl crystals with very little xylene odor.

    This tek will be absolute textbook by the time I am through with it.
     
  2. ancient powers

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    There is 50g dried skin powder per 1 foot cacti. The alkaloid content is 1% average for the dried weight of Pachanoi skins. So there is 500mg alkaloids per 1 foot Pachanoi. Mescaline is 50% the total alkaloids making 250mg mescaline per 1 foot Pachanoi. Some day I will test another var. and let you guys know.

    Finely powder up to 100g SP powder or 5x concentrated extract in your electric coffee grinder. Remove cover carefully, turn upside down and tap out powder. Add powder to a clean 2 quart HDPE2 ammonia bottle using a funnel. Add 1300ml regular tap water and shake to mix. Add 3tbsp of NaOH 1tbsp at a time with a dry funnel capping and shaking after each tbsp. Add 500ml xylene and shake for 5min. Make sure to secure cap each time when shaking.

    Allow mixture to set overnite to fully seperate. After full seperation siphon off upper xylene layer with a length of clear plastic tubing into a glass pint jar. Drill a hole in a extra ammonia bottle cap and put your clear tubing through it to hold the tubing still while you quickly start the syphoning process.

    Fill jar to the 300ml mark. Carefully pour 2oz distilled water into the salting jar of xylene extract. Add 2 drops of muratic pool acid to the salting jar. Cap and shake for 5min. Seperate using a quart ziplock baggie by hanging bag from one top corner and clipping a small cut in the bottom corner with scissors to slowly seperate solution.

    Collect the bottom water layer into the salting jar and return the rest of the solvant to the ammonia jug. Repeat the extraction 4x adding 1tbsp of NaOH after each pull. Pachanoi powder is 1% alkaloids. That is 1g alkaloids per 100gs SP powder.

    Add 2oz of fresh xylene to the salting jar and shake for 5 min to remove any impurities in the water layer. Put jar in the freezer to freeze the bottom water layer solid. Pour off xylene, swirl a little fresh distilled water and pour off then wipe the inside of the jar with a paper towel to remove any excess xylene. Melt ice layer in a bath of hot water on the stove or allow to melt at room temp. Add fresh xylene, shake and pour the mixture into a quart ziplock and reseperate cutting the smallest hole possible to ensure flow control.

    Seperate water layer onto a large glass baking dish, discard xylene and evaporate dish in a 150F oven for about 2hrs or until dry. Allow dish to cool at room temperature then scrape and capsulize in '0' caspsules for 350mg doses of clean hcl cactus alkaloids.

    For higher yields cook 500gs of powder 3x20min in fresh vitamin c water. Add 1tbsp of vitamin c powder per 1 liter of water used. Just simmer for 20min strain and recook pulp. This is done 3x and the volume of extract is combined, filtered, reduced, evaporated, dried and powdered in a coffee grinder to make a 5x extract. The tek is then applied with the 5x concentrated extract to yield 5gs cacti alkaloids.

    Replace xylene with naphtha to extract psilocybin, DMT, harmaline, cocaine, morphine and ephedrine.
     
  3. ancient powers

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    So today I attempted a seperation and evaporation. 2 things went wrong which were immediately corrected. This seperation as always provided a darker xylene layer from absorption of solvant soluble oils and fats during the extraction phase. This seems to make the salted water layer foamy and bubbly. Maybe patience would have cleared the water layer hanging in the baggie.

    Im not sure that would have mattered though. I believe I cut just a little to big of a corner and that seems to suck some of the xylene in with the water layer. The evaporation tray was polluted and I returned the water layer to the salting jar to reveal a very thin layer of orange xylene floating on the top. Plus it was stinkin up the place a bit while I tried an evaporation in the oven.

    To the water layer I added an equal amount (2oz) of fresh xylene, shook and allowed water layer to freeze solid in the freezer. The xylene layer was poured off and discarded. The inside of the jar and top of ice were wiped down with a clean paper towel to remove excess xylene. The water layer will have to be evaporated in the oven next chance I get.

    So no report of alkaloid level in the second pull will be noted today. The observance of seperating water layer, washing in fresh solvant and freezing layer will assure a very clean and pure water layer.
     
  4. ancient powers

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    Well I have good news. the second extraction water was melted. Even with wiping using a paper towel there still remained a very thin layer of xylene. Adding some fresh distilled water to the frozen solid ice layer, swirling and pouring off should remove that layer for a clean evaporation.

    The second yield was 500mg very white alkaloids. Thats 700mg so far now we wait for the 3rd pull.
     
  5. Positive.Vibrations

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    Nice man :) Have fun experimenting with your creation.
     
  6. ancient powers

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    The verdict is in ladies and gentleman. The third pull was evaporated yielding 350mg of partial alkaloids and excess hcl. The extract was a mixture of both white and brown fluff.

    I have a fourth pull waiting for extraction. This will surely show if there is anymore alkaloids present. I believe the solution is exhausted.

    Some improvements would be that once the maximum SP powder to water ratio is established that a 5x extract is prepared and the maximum ratio with concentrate is used. The improvement would be to defat the solution by using 1tbsp vitamin c per 1 liter of water to powder and then the 500ml of xylene. This would be shaken a few times every day for at least a week, giving the xylene time to remove excess oils and fats.

    The other improvement will be, that once the amount of times the solution needs to be extracted is established. Then all hcl water extracts are gathered together and kept until all the extractions are performed. Then the hcl water solutions are defatted with fresh xylene and seperated until xylene layer remains clear. Then the solution is carefully seperated and evaporated.
     
  7. ancient powers

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    Tested for maximum absorbtion on 100g SP powder. 800ml of water is enough to maintain the minimum liquid state required to extract. So 100g per 800ml. So the tek can be adjusted to 200g SP powder or SP 5x powder to 1600ml + 500ml xylene. I am testing now if d-limonene can be used as a solvant. The fourth pull only yielded 150mg alkaloids. So the total pull was 1.2gs for 110gs SP powder.


    Defatting the solution before extracting may help to improve the quality of the final product. So adjusting the tek to using 2tbsp vitamin c powder to 1600ml water + 200gs powder or 5x concentrated powder extract. Then using the xylene to defat the solution for about a week with shaking a few times every day. Siphon off and repeat defatting with fresh xylene. This should help reduce the crap that comes into the hcl water layer during seperation.
     
  8. pr0ne420

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    So... did ya eat any?
     
  9. ancient powers

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    Going on a survival hike for a few days deep into the mountains. I plan on eating a few then. The funny things is back in the day I would eat anything anytime to fly. Now I have moderated it and at the same time now I can make it anytime and have a nice inventory of plant powers, but will only use it for special moments to journey. Mostly I will never trip on my sacred plant extracts unless I am off the grid in private natural areas. My younger self would be in awe though. Too funny.

    Will let you guys know the power of the pills. I think its gonna take two to fly high. One maybe sociable. Anyways trying a d-limonene pull. Doesnt look good lots of foam still after 24hrs seperation. Had to reshake and give it another day. I think I really am gonna toss that stuff. It smells good though!
     
  10. ancient powers

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    d-limonene proved to be an effective solvant for extraction. 350mgs alkaloids were recovered from the first pull. Not as clean as the xylene but more. Either way a defatting of the original acidic mother liquid should be observed and performed. I will test this for you in the next tek.

    Also for those of you doing larger yields. An acetone clean up is done by swirling the alkaloids in acetone. I would recommend using a beaker since it pours out cleanly enough to control the flow of alkaloids from pouring out. The addition of fresh acetone and swirling is repeated until the solvant remains clean.

    For those going the extra mile I read that washing your clean alkaloids in MEK will remove non mescaline alkaloids yielding pure mescaline alkaloid. I havent tested this so I could not tell you it works. Urban Legend.

    For the asthetic you can then add the clean crystals to regular store bought clear ammonia and repeat and a/b extraction using fresh xylene or d-limonene. This time feel free to make your final crystals hcl, sulphate, citrate, acetate, etc. Sulphate is supposed to be very beautiful crystals, but I have no common source that I can cladenstine. The procedure is untested and amount of extraction times needs be researched and recorded.

    Now the final crystals can be re washed in acetone, dried, and put into a glass vial. A small amount of 91% rubbing alcohol is added dropwise to completely cover a litte above the alkaloid crystals. The vial is microwaved for 30 seconds shaken. Another 30 seconds, shaken and evoprated in the oven at 150F until solid. This should produce a solid crystal of alkaloid.
     
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    Tried defatting 200g is 1600ml water w/d-limonene. No seperation after 5days. 200gs is too much for the tek to hold. 100g for sure will test a 150g. D-limonene pulled 350mg per pull. I was able to fill 1 '0' cap per day. The dried extract smelled like orange candy. You need 3 of them to fly high.
     
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    Reduced mixture to 75% then added 300ml fresh d-limonene+200ml fresh water. The new mixture stills shows difficulty seperating. Either d-limonene does not defat well or the mixture is still to thick.

    I am proposing just straight to base and using fresh solvant for each pull. The resulting crystals are washed in acetone for perfection.
     
  13. Desos

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    ancient powers! i have a question for you. is it possible that a mescaline powder could be white, and have a tendancy to clump slightly after getting a little bit of my saliva on it? haha don't ask about the saliva.

    if so, then how much powder would it take for a fair dose? there's about a thumbnail sized amount inside this small capsule that fills up about the bottom half of a small regular sized capsule. is that enough?

    the reason i ask is that i picked up a supposed mescaline capsule,but i'm not sure of it's authenticity. the dude just gave it to me and chuckled and said 'don't worry, that'll take you home.' although, some of the powder may have escaped from the capsule since i got it when it got all wet from my saliva.
     
  14. PB_Smith

    PB_Smith Huh? What? Who, me?

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    Do you not pay attention to what you read?

    No whatever you have isn't mescaline if it "take you home" with the amount you described.
    It could be poison and the person that gave it to you has a different meaning to the phrase "take you home" than you do. :eek:
     
  15. ancient powers

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    I have finished experimenting with the defatting of 200gs pachanoi powder. The results showed that the mixture could not be defatted due to the fact the mixture would not seperate.

    Upon basifying the mixture with 4tbsps NaOH, the resulting mixture seperated cleanly showing that the tek in 2quart HDPE2 ammonia bottles can hold at least 1/2lb of plant powder. This is of course straight to base.

    D-limonene works great as a solvant leaving the cleaner pulls product drying with a orange candy scent. Still waiting on the final evap to see if fresh solvant pulls continued good yields of product.

    Defatting the plant powder everytime has proven pointless and messy. Straight to base.

    Tests using ammonia are in the works soon. I believe the use of such strong alkalinity has a part in taking away from the magic of the final drugs action.

    Also the use of the oven even though it does evap the product quickly and cleanly. I believe that the heat of the glass damages the magic in the drug as well.

    The tests run on the capsulized extract provided a meager experience compared to drinking the fresh juice or preparations of MGS/HBWRS.

    The final evaporation will test with the other harvests an acetone wash to clean the product of minimal residual plant impurities that make it through into the hcl water extract solutions.

    After finalizing the amount of pulls needed to exhaust the alkaline solution of plant powder. All hcl water extractions can be collected in a seperate jar and washed with clean solvant to help remove excess impurities for an overall cleaner product before evaporation.

    An ammonia test with room temp fan evap and acetone wash. Then a test of the product for psychedelic properties compared to fresh preparations.

    It seems that 1gallon milk jugs and sunny delight bottles are HDPE2. This means that 1lb plant extractions can be performed by doubling every ingriedient in a 1gallon HDPE2 bottle or jug.

    1drop muratic acid (hcl) per 1oz, 30ml distilled water.

    Ziplock freezer bags for seperatory funnels.

    d-limonene makes a great friendly solvant for extracting.
     
  16. Smitty25

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    I'd bet on a 2c.
    Yeah man, several hundred mg. for mescaline....if everyone knew that idk how people could pass off 2c whatever as mesc.
     
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