Chavez does more stuff, apologists gather here.

I'm just going to make a point to post a new thread about Chavez every time I see an awesome story about him until the election there in September where he and his allies shall win 92% of the parliamentary seats. After which he will then use this as a mandate to be granted another enabling act except this time he will have literal dictatorial powers to advance the revolution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/world/americas/04venez.html?hp

Emphasis is mine, not that of the NYT.

 

I think its debateable whether this debate is worth debating.

I reject all your arguments.

America is bad.

 

Too long to read but whatever it said I say "HELL NO BITCH!"

 

:S
He's just so badass.

 

I admire anyone who can talk for 5 hours non-stop on state television and not be switched off by the vast majority of the population! All Hail Hugo!

 

There is one thing that made me really curious in all of this.

Since when did judges in any country rule based on what the UN says over their own laws?

 

The UN was complaining because as the article says:

Chavez/the government was already breaking his own country's law in terms of how long Cedeno had been held without bail/trial. The judge herself was in fact only following Venezuelan law in the fact he needed to be released and there was no legal basis for him to still be in a detention cell.The UN's guidance was in reference to this and ever growing list it has of judicial abuse.

To sum up the current case:
- Eligio Cedeño spends two years and ten months in prison without a trial.(24 months is the limit under Venezeuluan law for those denied bail, the prosecutor had been advised, then ordered to appear, but said he was "too busy")
- A day after Judge Afiuni decides to release him, Chávez accuses her with no basis of being bribed and wants her jailed for thirty years.
- A day after Chávez's accusations, Judge Afiuni is jailed.
- Judge Afiuni now spends 4 months in a jail cell without a trial or even a preliminary hearing ( as guaranteed by Venezuelan law )

Even back in 2004:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/18/world/venezuelan-leader-braces-for-recall-vote.html?pagewanted=1

 

That's fine and I understand that part... my point is that she did not say, I released him according to venuzuelan law, she said she did it following the UN's guidnance in it..

What would happen if an american judge made a ruling and based it on the UN rather then US law?

To be clear, I have no clue what would happen here in canada if it happened.

It just seems like the oddest thing in the world for a judge to say.

 

It's a way to further emphasize the point, since courts that had Chavez picked judges were constantly upholding the detention despite it being clear even to a layman it was illegal.(Also keep in mind Cedeno wasn't charged with treason or anything heinous which could result in indefinite detention, but currency manipulation.)

There is no middle ground in Venezuela anymore, you're either with Chavez or against Chavez, and for those against Chavez that means going against near an entire government where every branch is dominated by people who are his lap dog. Saying you're releasing someone under UN guidance because their independent legal analysis further backs up the point said person's detention is illegal under your nation's own laws adds more weight to her argument that the government and judicial branch was being corrupt in its handling of political opponents. I'm not gonna say she's a saint, I bet she had her own motives when making the ruling and specifically mentioning foreign observers had found it illegal, it's more ammunition for the anti-Chavez movement.

*edit*
Also the fact I assume advice from the UN on your own government breaking its own laws would have more weight in Venezuela while in America it would just result in "arrgh, leave the UN"

Well actually OAS a month or two ago put out a scathing report on political rights in Venezuela and it basically resulted in Chavez going "arrgh, leave the OAS"

Guess some things are the same everywhere.

 

I havent been paying attention down there at all since he called bush the devil and that was well worth a chuckle...

After reading this though, and doing some other reading on whats been going on, it reminds me of Atlas Shrugged...