Hey guys, Im new to the whole drugs scene because when i was younger i always thought i was going to play pro sports LOL! Turns out I sucked After coming out of a long term relationship that ment i couldnt ever try drugs, now I have decided that i want certain experiences before im alot older. Having tried Meow and tripping slightly off it, (complete green vision, and people speaking alot higher pitched and quicker) I decided thats the kind of experience that I want. Having looked into how to make certain well known Psychedelics that arnt legal, i stumbled across Salvia and man i cant wait to try this! I have always been into spiritual stuff along side meditation etc and think this sounds amazing. Ok now to my questions, there is a shop that sells sally near to me its more expensive than online but the shop that im going to purchase off online are away on there holidays at the momment so im going to make do for now. I figure because im quite big (6'4 16stone) Im going to start with 10x what do you guys think of that? Secondly im going to make a bong because from what i have seen there really easy to make. Now this is the bit where i look like a n00b, the part that the people used as the 'cone' (i think thats the the term, the bit off the socket) thats where i put my sally right? and I burn the shit out of it with a torch lighter without soing anything until the bong is filled with smoke? Then when its filled i put my mouth over the top of the bottle and inhale, half way thru taking my finger off the lil hole near the top? The reason im confused is in other posts where people are speaking about hittin through a pipe they are told to keep the heat on constantly while inhaling? As you can tell my drugs experiences are limited , hence the lack of knowledge on the bong front If i want to experience open eye visuals how much roughly should i put in the cone? I think i want to reach V of the S-A-L-V-I-A scale. (see i have read a fair bit around the subject!) Happy trippin
If you like mephedrone and are looking for a high like that I wouldn't recommend salvia to you. Maybe try like MDMA or something, eventhough it's illegal. the idea of making a bong to me does not sound like a good idea with salvia. Some people have trouble feeling the effects of salvia with proper bongs/pieces/etc. If you want a quick high from a headshop or something legal and don't have pieces or bongs, then I suggest doing nitrous oxide. Usually at headshops you have to ask for whip cream canisters(catridges). IF you want to do Salvia I recommend investing in a piece at least and you should get a bubbler. Also find a trip sitter with you for your first time.
I suggest you smoke it out of a pipe. And fuck 10x, buy the strongest extract you can get your hands on. Also fuck the S-A-L-V-I-A scale, it's just stupid bullshit that's the product of people attempting to rationalize and make sense of the bizarre and absurd, there is no scale, just smoke it and see what happens. Here's a hint, you will probably be horrified and will be in the most fear you have ever felt, so I wouldn't worry too much about OEV's kay?
neo, i have to disagree with you. he said I have always been into spiritual stuff along side meditation etc and think this sounds amazing. if he likes meditation, a low extract can definitly open the doors of space. too high of an extract will be WAY TO INTENSE. even for a veteran drug user. if he is just entering the amazing dug culture. let him take it one step at a time. i personally started with 10x. and moved up to 13x. even tho its only a difference of 3. you can notice a HUGE difference between the two. Gsta, i recommend you buy a bong, fill it with both ice and water. if you want to learn how to hit,pack,smoke, make a bong. check out youtube. there are tons of videos. good luck and most importantly.....ENJOY
It doesn't matter if he is into spiritual stuff or if he likes meditation. Do you understand salvinorin A's (the active constituent in Salvia divinorum) mechanism of action? It's a potent kappa-Opiod receptor agonist. What this means is that it binds to and triggers a response from kappa opiod receptors (which are found in pain neurons), whose primary function is to cause dysphoria. Smoking salvia causes a biochemical reaction that is inherently dysphoric. There is no "enjoying" salvia lol. If you smoke salvia and you are not completely disturbed and consumed by fear, then you didn't really smoke salvia.
Dude sometimes you have great responses but other times you have fucking retarded responses like this.
Speaking of retarded responses, where is your contribution to the current discussion other than to mock someone? Do you have any rational or logical explanation as to why my position is "retarded", or did you just want to pop in the thread and exhibit all the signs of someone who realizes that they have been presented with a notion that embodies the truth yet they don't like it? I just explained why Salvia, biochemically, is not enjoyable. I'm sure you have anecdotal evidence that leads you to believe otherwise, but there is no arguing with anatomy and chemistry. This is simply how it works, sorry, if you are looking for a "feel-good" drug then Salvia is not for you.
^By your biochemical logic every person that ever takes MDMA should feel happy. I already said that I don't think he should try Salvia especially if he plans on making a bong himself. Op I agree with techno overlord that if you do salvia you should start off with Salvia 10x and this has nothing to do with my bickering with Neodude. I actually do somewhat agree with Neodude that many people find Salvia to be quite dysphoric and that's one of the reasons you should start with a lower strength extract. It can still be quite 'spiritual' and mind blowing even at 10x. Salvia causes a VARIETY of different reactions in people. I have found myself finding it extremely terrifying sometimes while completely euphoric other times. I find the effects extremely inconsistent.
I smoked 3 massive bong hits of 80x for the first time doing salvia and had an insane trip without any fear whatsoever. I guess it wasn't salvia though.
If you've got something to say just say it man. All I'M saying is, what you think is insane is probably laughable. Your "80X" was probably laughable as well. I'm sure the shamans down in South America would take you very seriously while you tell them about your intense Salvia trip lol.
Alright insane may have been an exaggeration, it really wasn't insane. I guess what I was saying is you shouldn't make generalizations about a drug (you saying that there is no enjoying salvia and it will be filled with fear). And actually no what I think is insane isn't laughable, I've had plenty of experiences but I wouldn't really deem any of them as truly insane. And as for the "80x" how would that be laughable? And obviously a shaman wouldn't take my experiences seriously. I'll admit you probably have a ton more experience than me, but I don't think a shaman would be impressed by your experiences either.
But I'm not the one saying I enjoyed Salvia. It isn't that I'm making generalizations about a drug, all I'm doing is describing it's mechanism of action. I mean, the active chemical is an agonist of receptors that do nothing but cause dysphoria, there is no way around that.
Fair enough, I'm just in a pissed off argumentative mood the past few days. That's why I was arguing with you on the schrooms post too. Truce.
Neodude I'm sorry if you have never had a pleasureable experience from Salvia, the stuff can feel quite blissful at times. You should really read some more trip reports on erowid or something though, there are plenty of people who have amazing non dysphoric experiences from salvia.
