Is Transgendered Surgery Amoral?

I have been considering TG cosmetic surgery to help me become the woman I've always wanted to be. However, there are several issues I am grappling with, and I was hoping you could help sort these out.

1. The surgery will only simulate the appearance of femininity, to a limited extent. I will always have an X and a Y chromosome, no matter how much of my savings I spend on these procedures. Additionally, I will always have been born male, and I feel I would be deceiving others by merely altering my appearance.

2. I fear this surgery may be vain and petty. Is my personality so frail that my true identity cannot shine through a healthy body free of deformities or physical injuries?

3. Would I be stating "one sex is better than the other" by doing this?

4. Would the money be used better if I donated it to charity, and the medical resources not be wasted on a "vanity procedure" (someone else's words, but really got me thinking)?

5. What separates my desire to be a woman from other peoples' desire to be children or even animals? Is transsexualism just another fetish, a purely psychological condition?

6. I understand I would be happier as a woman, but I would also be even happier as a druggie. Both procedures would negatively affect my physical and social well-being, so how am I not as much a druggie in a sober body as a man in a woman's body?

7. Even if I am a beautiful woman in a man's body, do only my financial resources give me the privilege of surgery? If so, is it evil for me not to use the money to finance the recovery of burn victims, whom also require cosmetic procedures?

I really, really want to see a woman in the mirror, but I like to think of myself as a moral, enlightened person. I simply cannot go through with the procedures with these moral queries unresolved.

 

I don't think so. But I think that if you're second guessing yourself like this, then maybe you're not ready...

 

SweetBlasphemy is right. not immoral, but if you're second guessing yourself, then don't do it.
I feel for you Use, but i gotta be honest in my opinion. the money given to fundraisers and charities would be used better, but it's not quite immoral. If you'd feel guilt or pride in doing so, feel it. Feel it in the present and pick the decision that feels right.
just personally, I'd rather feel more pride and just happier being a woman in a man's body with real genuine organs. You are genuinely a woman, but dont take your genuine parts away. Find the solace of acceptance of and for yourself. There are always people that love and will love you.

I'll be hoping for the best for you. and good luck

 

Well, I see it s a lie. Do you think lying is amoral? If you want to go mutilate your genitals into something unrecognizable then tell other men it's a vagina so they have sex with it then more power to you. People lie to the people they're fucking all the time. Is lying about your gender really that much worse?

People have gotten beaten for a lot less.

 

I think this is the one gender issue I am close minded about. I'm sorry if I'm a dick(lol pun), I can't imagine how it feels to actually go through this. It's just so far from my mind that I don't know how to handle it. So I reduce the issue to the simplest terms.

I do not want to sleep with a man who has had trans gender surgery. That's the only part of it I understand and I don't like it.

So don't take my opinions personally.

 

Wow, the level of ignorance in this thread is just astounding. Im not going to even dignify any of the responses, or indeed the OP's original post with a reply. When you understand a bit about what you're attempting to demonise as ''immoral'', or ''lying'', then maybe you'll be more qualified to offer an opinion on the subject. Until then, your rantings should be treated with the contempt they so rightfully deserve.

I'm not a transsexual, but I know enough about the subject to reject all the nonsense in this thread as exactly that. Ignorance is bliss, I guess. Gender, and even physical sex is not as black and white as most seem to think. But if you all want to continue living in that fabricated fantasy world of strict, narrow, gender binary you've been brought up to believe is real, then who am I to stop you?

 

You can't tell me I live in some honkey-dory-make-believe-nazi-mechine world just because I would be pissed off if I had sex with a woman that was really a man.

Take that super-liberal shit away from me. You can't force people to be THAT accepting that they'll have sex with a gender they don't want to because otherwise it wouldn't be PC. I wont even be okay with the concept of it.

 

You are ignorant, end of. If you're too narrow minded, lazy, or just too plain pig headed to learn about the science, and facts about the matter, then dont expect me to try and educate you on it. Hahaha! "Super-liberal shit" which is also based in scientific fact! You can say im a ''super liberal'' or whatever other nonsensical claptrap you choose to level at me, but the fact remains, you are a bigot, narrow minded, and Im sure knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the actual mechanics of this condition, and indeed gender itself. And yes, I can tell you that you're living in a ''honkery donkery'' make believe world as far as gender is concerned, because that is exactly what you're doing. You dont believe me, go and research the science into this. If you're (or anyone else) not willing to do that, then people who are edcuated in the matter have every right to dismiss your views as the blindfolded ignorant crap that it is. First off, some transpeople have at least some biological component of the opposite sex. This is a scientific fact. Secondly, you have intersex people (I myself was born with an intersex condition) who have often been mistakingly brought up as the wrong gender, and medically altered, to appear so. And finally, you have people who have chromosomal setups other than the XX or XY setup that most people think are the only two that exist. (XXY, XO, XXX, XYX, YYX, etc...) It is also scientifically possible for a male to be born with XX chromosomes, and vice versa for females. These are all cast iron facts of science. It is then very safe to put it to you that you are indeed, living in a make believe bubble where gender is concerned.

The problem is people like you dont even want to know the truth. You're happy living in your make believe bubble. You're obviously far too insecure to handle the truth, even if you wanted to seek it out.

 

this reply is astounding. Sam and I very clearly pointed out it is our personal opinion. no way in hell did we say it was immoral or lying (well Sam did, but you decided not to specify i guess cuz you wanted to ramble?). you're blowing things way out of proportion. I do know and understand a lot of transexuality as I am part of the lgbt community. i could understand more about transexuals but thats because i personally am not one myself. My advice is taking everything I know and understand, and you seem to think we're boneheads. But you're being the bonehead for whackin blindly. I do think Sam is being harsh cuz i don't think he understands.
just stop being dramatic and just post some advice.

 

No way in hell did he say it was lying? The WHOLE post was basically accusing transpeople of lying about their gender to partners. Did you actually read what he said? So no, I didnt blow things out of proportion. If you're going to accuse me of something, at least get your facts right before doing so.

As for advice, I just edited my previous post pointing out exactly why his views are narrow minded.

 

k i edited it.
I did read it.
and you're really annoying.
just write something that isn't knit-picking and name-calling please.

 

As I said in my last post, I edited my reply to Sam_Stoned pointing out exactly why his ''opinion'' is wrong, at least in scientific terms. You see me as rambling, but didnt see his ''transpeople lie to partners'' post as a rant? Okay, he is ignorant of the facts, and so are many other people. It just angers me to see people saying such things when they dont really know anything about what they're saying. At the end of the day, people can choose to try and educate themselves, or choose not to, and remained closed minded on the issue.

 

I see, so it's okay for him to call transpeople ''liars'', but that's perfectly acceptable? If its okay for him to name call, it should be alright for others to do it back.

And I seen the GTFO comment. If me pointing out facts is ''annoying'', but his rant was perfectly fine and acceptable, Id tell you to stop having double standards. That is very annoying.

 

yeah you're right and i just read what you added. i find it annoying too that people are ignorant too but i hope you can identify my advice.
and i'm curious to know what advice you would give the op?

I deleted the gtfo after i read your edit

 

im lying.. lol..

 

well reading the posts again, i do think you blew it slightly out of proportion to what he was saying. he was saying it mostly as a personal opinion and not like he was calling transexuals liars necessarily. plus you began by calling everyone out including me so i just think my advice is legit enough to protect.


this thread crashed and burned. at least for me. or it actually was just me. goodnight

 

For me, I think the OP has autogeynephilia. A sexual fetish that is sometimes wrongly mistaken for transsexualism. I see no ''immorality'' in just wanting to be yourself. I myself, was born with an intersex condition, (CAH syndrome) and mistakingly raised as a male, even though my genetic setup is mainly female. Is it ''immoral'' then for me, to try and live as who I am, and the way Ive always seen myself? A woman? What happened to me, was immoral. That I was operated on, and medicated to appear as a sex I actually wasnt. And the only reason that this happened, was to appease a narrow minded society that does not accept any deviation from the perfect male/perfect female, XX=female/XY=male, that most adhere to. This is way more common than people realise, and a damning judgement on society's strict gender binary system.

Okay, some people may say, well its different for me, because Im not a transsexual, but it has been proven that some transpeople have brain matter of the opposite sex, so its not that different really. I have pointed out the scientific facts that prove our society's strict gender binary system is based on nothing but an illusion. Though I do not think most of society is ready to accept that fact. But, the mutiliation, and mistreatment of many intersex infants is proof enough, that this inherent need to pander to society's strict and false gender binary system is very damaging, and ruins many people's lives. That to me, is very immoral indeed.

Oh, and I didnt realise that. Sorry. lol

 

I actually was going to single him out, and that was a mistake, I should have done that. And his posts, and subsequent messages stated he thought transpeople were liars. And that he thinks transwomen are men. Those were his words.

 

o very nice. I think my best friend is hormonally different than most people but idk. like his little brother came out as a hermaphrodite so they did surgery. :/
I'm glad this had light shed on it but what advice would you give the op? haha lots of good info thanks, but like do you think he should go through with the surgery?

 

You know what? You're just a little rebel without a cause. Or at least you are severely misdirecting your cause. I am allowed to not want to fuck whoever I want. I even went as far to admit having sympathy to the issue. If I wanted to, it would be perfectly acceptable for me to just say "ew, that shit is gross and wrong" But that's not what I said. That's just what you decided to read into it.

There are plenty of people who are actually into that shit. I've seen the internet. But everyone doesn't love it and you're too insecure to handle that. I don't want to have a sexual relationship with a transgender. If I found out I was with one, I'd feel lied to among other things.

And for what reason, prey tell, do you have the need to spin that into some huge gender bashing hate-fest of imagined persecution? You need to come to terms with the fact that not everyone likes what you like. That's what the whole idea of a free society is all about. I'm not gonna try to make you feel like a bad person if you don't concur with my views, try showing the same respect you demand from others.

Bottom line, someone made a post asking for other peoples opinions. You don't need to continue spinning it into a thinly veiled excuse to flaunt your insecurities and/or persecution issues.