Some thoughts about life, its continuation.

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  1. MokshaMedicine

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    I just watched "The Fountain" in my Composition class, and it provoked some continued thinking about what I've already been thinking about and how it became relevant to some of my experiences

    The surface truth is that we are not eternal. It probably is true that all that has arisen will fall back to nothing. Nothing that which can be named lasts forever. Our physical being ceases to sustain its own life, and in that death there is little doubt that our self identification through consciousness dies as well.

    Although, that is not to say that any advances in understanding, knowledge, and ideas do not continue on. I do not either deny or believe in the Akashic records but I do not deny at all that human formulations of language finds its way into our cognition from seemingly nowhere.
    On the other side, if you look at this death as dualistic as is all else, the body belongs to the earth, and in that the energy of the body does not cease as it directly re-enters the natural cycles.

    If we can have conscious awareness of the deepest level that connects the essence of life to the depth of space time (or maybe even a deeper level), then at physical death we probably lose our ego. Thus if there is life after death it will not be the life everyone associates with their self concept. From this thought, the past few days I thought I realized anything similar to our waking self does not have a chance of continuation, and all that continues is our deepest essence of energy. What I had failed to remember were the correlations between life (as I've called it synchronicity).

    My hypothesis is that this is the effect of all life grown from one singularity. The significance that this theory of synchronicity plays in my thinking connects similarly to the belief of reincarnation. My theory here is that all lives of souls stem from a singularity (of maybe energy?) that is inherently staticly dynamic and this accounts for the synchronicity occurring between the life taking place within the same moments, and provides hope there is synchronicity occurring between lives that seemingly occur in different generations of succesive moments. Are we forbidden from finding these similarities between self and other, whether in the form of human to animal, human to plant, animal to plant, and of course human to human?

    I can have faith in this that maybe some aspect of myself will reformulate in other life, thought I also believe that the dynamcy ensures the uniqueness of all life to come.
    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Monkey Boy

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    Curious question. Have you studied quantum entanglement at all?
     
  3. MokshaMedicine

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    I am slightly familiar with it after reading someone's theory about the Holy Trinity on the Philosophy forum. I gathered it's simultaneous identical waves in the particle wave theory with two similar particles at a distance. I guess Einstein called it "Spooky action at a distance."

    I thought of this earlier today in thinking about the different kinds of energy that make us one of a kind amongst other kinds of people. If our souls all come from the white light then our soul may take on one wave (or color). Or perhaps they fluctuate from one to the other. Maybe these are to account for true archetypes.
     
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    Interesting. I've been reading about how it may be possible for the brain to use quantum entanglement like in meditation for example. I've always had this feeling that reality is much deeper/stranger than it appears.

    Also, there are so many times when I'm thinking about something and one of my friends for example will start talking about exactly what I was thinking. Perhaps, this is due to entangled communicating particles. It's pretty crazy.
     
  5. def zeppelin

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    Something like that happened to me while gaming. My gamer buddies joined up a voice chat program so they can lead each other during in-game play. My computer at that time couldn't handle the programs so I couldn't enter it. But there was a point where they were all chatting away on the program and I was responding to them perfectly through in-game keyboard chat. They told each other in-game text chat if I was joined up with them. When they found out I wasn't, they were basically flabbergasted and had no idea how I was following along the conversation they were having...
     
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    That's weird. Maybe you have some extra telepathic abilities.:p

    If these ocurrences happen a few times I might think they are just coincidence, but they happen over and over. I'm not completely convinced it's real, but it sure spurs my curiosity.
     
  7. MokshaMedicine

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    The fabric of reality is very deep. We've all experienced telepathic moments as well as the major synchronicities. I don't feel like much more needs to be said on that. That's the first thing I jumped to when reading about quantum entanglement, an explanation for synchronicity. Perhaps.
     
  8. MokshaMedicine

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    Not all that can be said. I would just like to point out to be aware of false alarms (but those are interesting as well) when simultaneous thinking is the result of little subtle stimulus in the environment. That does not explain all forms of synchronicity.
     
  9. def zeppelin

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    Maybe! :p

    Yeah, same here.
     
  10. thedope

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    I could tell you stories, but then they would just be stories. I can tell you a way in which you all could get a firmer handle on the miraculous. Understand, nothing is hidden, things not seen are things not looked for. Intensity matters, thus the admonition to love God with all your heart and might, a profound and unreserved emotional state. Right now, most times we are in a state of deciding whether a thing is valuable or not and that is totally opposite of giving your greatest value
     
  11. MokshaMedicine

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    But first you must get a handle on what is really valuable to yourself. This involves periods of time and many fall outs.

    Those become the real greatest value of yourself that you can give. It's silly all this talk about the death of the self. There is so much focus on just that one side of a duality. Holy Spirit .. The Son.

    I know I have much to learn about what I am to become, because indeed we all become our self. I admit I struggle in expanding my horizon of contact (I do not act on synchronicity:rolleyes:). But I don't in the expansion of thinking so I find my self in a state of peace. With that honest feeling I have at least a bit of faith in future communion. And I have experienced true communions before.

    What am I to do? What am I to do?
    I can ask this question without any attachment to struggle. So progress.

    /rant
     
  12. thedope

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    Follow the money, the daily investment demonstrates what you value.

    There is an idea that we can see a world that we do not fully understand.
    Important news flash. That is not seeing, that is representing. If we do not see reality for what it is, then we have seen nothing. However we can see. We are given the capacity to make distinctions, to tell one thing from another, however this function has been usurped culturally by accusations of "moral" conscience. Our sensory apparatus is not designed to evaluate but to comprehend. The doing becomes obvious when you recognize where you truly are.
     
  13. MokshaMedicine

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    That makes perfect sense but my personal issue is I'm not fully freed from inaction by way of anxiety. Although I have found myself in peace (which is such a tremendous step for me) and I have had my moments of glory. I avoid so often the forces that bring people into contact. It also has to do of my natural avoidance of focus on me and avoidance of evaluation of the previous mentioned "type".

    But I also leave open the possibility of such occurrences being the effect of my own projection. Although I have found we are charged from a current of life that is bliss (impervious to gain or loss, fail or succeed), I have realized with the use of MDMA/MDA and personal observance that still there be forces to how you live/love your life, and these are archetypes. Such we can surrender to those forces as well yet we still find will to not be.

    Perhaps I just do not give my total value. And does THAT even matter? I don't think so.
     
  14. thedope

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    Anxiety is not a demon, it is an inaccurate declaration you make about the nature of the world. The body is the egos home, however you are not your ego and you are not your body. The body is a communication device and the ego is a social currency.
     
  15. MokshaMedicine

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    Unfortunately it is not simply that.

    But.

    So we are only what is our essence?

    What of love, family, friends, even way of living?
     
  16. thedope

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    There are no requirements but there is a way things work and the way things work is always in effect. In other words, you function perfectly as it stands in this very moment. The ray of creation proceeds thus, thought, word, and deed.
    Every fleeting thought finds its' expression in the world. You say it is not as simple as that and I would tell you that is because you insist that it is so. Sorry I can't be more soothing.
     
  17. MokshaMedicine

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    Anxiety is not simply as you said.

    Not so much do I insist it is so, I have detached from it progressively. Yet it still finds its way into a moment, the heart beats twice as hard twice as fast. A definite point of inaction for some people.

    I will remain open through the moment, and when contact happens by mere occurrence there is little obstruction. In other words(less important words) I should act swiftly or I am not going to act at all.

    Why am I even saying this I know that so dearly from experience. This should be a silly little discussion about life yet it strikes to some of my struggles naturally I feel they arise again. But really it remains so. Just a discussion within myself of the things that mattered once.

    Any love comes in time anyways, and I've pinnacled the most I could out of my preconceived notion on being in love. Now the value takes on new meaning that doesn't seem appropriate for the time being. Individuality is whole for some.
     
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    pretty much all thoughts of continuation of awareness beyond the functionality of physical form tend to begin and end in speculation. i know of none that don't. only that some could turn out to be real in some sense. more likely in some sense no one has imagined then any that anyone has. simply because the possibilities are infinite, while however many are ever considered can ever only be finite in number.

    one though i find comforting though, is that complete absence of any, is only one of those possibilities, among that infinity of others, and no more probable, then any single one, of the rest of them.
     
  19. MokshaMedicine

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    Yes we simply do not know the reality of awareness beyond life. However we do know life continues as long as it's supporting circumstances on Earth do as well. Theories like Moksha are simply speculations as you've said.
     
  20. thedope

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    So is the theory, "MokshaMedicine"
     
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