anyone initiate their partner into psych drug use?

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After tripping alone lately due to lack of anyone to trip with, my wife decides she wants to finally see what this is all about.

With only the choice of 2ce or 2ci i think we're going to take the e. I think it's much more of a 'trip' in the psychedelic sense than what I've experienced on 2ci. 2ci was great for brighter colors and such, but it wasn't nearly the WOW factor to me that 2ce had.

I wish I had a gentler introduction, like mdma, but i'm just not connected to any scenes right now. eventually when the time comes i'll seek it out.

maybe the 2ci would be better to start with because it isn't as hard on the body?? I just worry because she doesn't like the feeling amphetamines give so I'm kinda thinking like, uh, phenalymines might not be the direction to go in because they make me feel like i'm vibrating energy.

... So, veterans, you're introducing someone you love to psychs, what route do you go?

Jump in, wade in, ?? Should I seek out a gentler introductory substance? We're both very familiar with cannabis so she is at least experienced with mildly altered states of consciousness, but nothing like this.

Anyone ever have that, where you know a trip would likely do someone some good, but you feel nervous because you really care about this person and who knows how any one of us react to a psych, right?

It's just been a while since I've been "responsible" for someone else tripping, so there is a moment of hesitation within. I almost feel like because I've only done it a few times that I should invest a few more sessions into it before "sharing" it, but then again, uh, it's my wife That kind of makes it hard to be like "Um honey, let me just trip out a few more times, and then you can join me".

Anyone share psychs with their partner?

Just for background, I used to eat mushrooms once in a while and have a very limited experience with RCs (only a few sessions). Only one profound LSD trip in my life, a dabbling of MDMA nibbling back in the day. So I've had some drug experience, not a ton, but enough to kind of know what it's like to be around other people tripping and all that.

Her previous habits we're like mine at one point, in that she and I used to both be into drinking. She also used to do a little methamphetamines once in a while.

I worry that the sensation from phenaylmines might remind her too much of methamphetamine to make the trip comfortable. That's a old life for her at this point, but, you know, might be bad memories. Actually, might bring some healing memories too. who knows?

Anyone with experience with both 2ce and meth, is the body load similar in terms of physical sensations? does being on 2ce remind you physically of the sensation of being on meth?

It's weird. I don't really like introducing someone to any drug period, but at the same time I'm torn because I understand psychedelics can touch and tickle places in the mind that most people fear to tread to unaided...

And I'll have to admit. There is a certain part of me that is excited at the prospect of having a life long tripping buddy. I really have to not listen to that part of me though in making this decision, because that part of me is awfully selfish

 

I try to shove drugs down my husbands throat all the time.. I am glad that you have someone who is open to taking them with you. All I can get him to take is ecstacy pretty much.

 

I would just give her a small dose of 2ce, like just above threshold. Give her somewhere between 12mg and 15mg, and I'm sure she'll be fine. Give her some diphenhydramine or fresh ginger before she doses to help with the nausea. If you're worried about the stimulant properties, then maybe you could have some emergency benzos on hand to calm her down, if the body load ends up being too much for her.

I introduced one of my ex-girlfriends to psychedelics with some LSD. It was only one blotter, but she loved it and tripped pretty hard.

 

2ce does not remind me of meth at all, but at the same it's not really a substance I would look to share with a significant other. I think quality MDMA is the best route to go, which is what i first introduced my current partner to. Although it does have some amphetamine side effects as well.

I don't get the impression you care to do this but Mescaline (via San Pedro or other cactus) is one of the best trips there is and awesome to share with someone else if you don't mind preparing and consuming a nasty tasting cactus. Otherwise 2-3 hits of LSD I think would be the best option to share with a partner.

 

Yeah 2ce doesn't produce any effects resebling meth, imo. It's always been very sedating, in my experience. That's not the case for most people though. lol

 

This kind of captures the sentiments that my girlfriend had recently. It turned out to be one of the best decisions of our relationship thus far because we could open up to one another in ways unknowable under sobriety.

The similarities in our thought processes regarding this topic is kind of interesting. I introduced my girlfriend to 2C-I, bk-MDMA, and 2C-E, in that order.

My reason for doing the 2C-I first was because she wanted a legitimate "trip," but having never had experience with them before we both decided it would be wiser to start her out on a lighter hallucinogen. In retrospect, I feel confident that she could have handled the E first, but things worked out fantastically this way. Besides, we were amongst friends in a party setting when we shared the 2C-I and I didn't have the bk-MDMA on hand at the time.

I can completely empathize with wanting to give her the "WOW" factor as soon as possible. What I tried to do in my initiating her was have as many potential suitors as possible on hand. I then told her to research them for herself - independent of my anecdotal bias. This let her form her own opinion, and when she had questions I was more than happy to help.

If you're worried about phenethylamines' similarity to amphetamines, I wouldn't be. IME, their effects are distinctly different. I, too, get the vibrating energy from phens, but this is much kinder than full-on stimulation from meth/amphetamines.

I took my time when it came to sharing this stuff with my best friend. I wanted her to feel ready, comfortable, safe - the same way I did my first time.

If you're wanting something unequivocally psychedelic, bk-MDMA wouldn't be the right choice. But if you'd really just like to expose her to the realm of altered consciousness as gently as possible, I'd highly recommend bk-MDMA, even over 2C-I. My girlfriend and I dosed on this over Valentine's weekend and we stayed up until 7:30 a.m. talking about anything, everything. It was an experience we both cherish and I'd recommend it to any psychologically healthy couple. bk-MDMA also has the benefit of being more attainable than MDMA if you're out of the scene. Abundantly easy to get a hold of.

This is the crux of it. Every individual reacts differently. While you can have keen insight and intuition into how something might affect a loved one, there is no guarantee. This is why it's of paramount importance to let that individual decide for that individual's "self." If they claim this experience for their own, I've found they are significantly more receptive and happy with the trip. In the same way that only the individual can make herself genuinely happy, so goes the world of altered states of consciousness. Give her all the love, support, and good energy you can muster, but the true experience resides within her exclusively.

I've been having this same dilemma with many close friends. I don't want to be the one to introduce someone to this stuff if they end up going down a degenerative path. No one wants that guilt. Luckily, most psychedelics are not physically addictive, so this alleviates some of the concern on my part, at least at first. Here again lies the value of the notion of sovereignty of decision.

That part of you that is excited to share with your wife is completely justified. I feel much the same way. In my case, it turned out to be a wonderful decision, and I do have a lifelong tripping buddy now. It's truly something to be grateful for.

Your task comes in using your experience and intuition to make sure she's well-informed, provided for, and supported - but let her own the decision for herself.

This sounds very exciting and I'm happy for you two! Good luck and let us know how it fares. I'll be sending positive energy your way.

 

I enjoy bk-MDMA as well, but i was hesitant to recommend that a) because I have had an experience that was pretty much indistinguishable from amphetamine on it (as others have said too) and b) it's not psychdelic.

I guess ill add this too, since I didn't really directly respond. I think it's best to jump in if you are introducing someone personally. If you feel (and assuming you know your partner well) that they can handle the experience, I think 'shocking' them with a good dose is better than testing the waters. My recommended doses for her assuming she is of normal size and weight and not super small .

LSD= 3 hits
2ce=15-20 mgs
MDMA= 2 pills/125 mgs
San Pedro = 24 inches
Bk-MDMA= 175 mgs (with a redose of 100-125 mgs) at the 2 hr. mark

 

I would usually agree, but it's better to be safe than sorry. I dosed my cousin with 7 POWERFUL hits of acid for his first trip, and he loved it. That led me to assume he would have a good time on 25mg of 2ce, and he ended up having the worst night of his life. I was basically having to tripsit him while I was on 50mg of 2ce. Crazy night.

TheChangingTide.....I think your wife would be fine on a low dose of 2ce. I wouldn't just let her dive into a higher dose though, considering she has never experienced psychedelia.

 

yah well your 25 mgs of 2ce is below my suggested dosage and we both know how steep of a dose curve 2ce can have.

If it was powerful acid I would consider 7 hits a heroic dose of acid. More than just a good dose.

 

That's true. 2ce does have an insane dose-response curve. lol

 

I'd love to get my boyfriend to trip with me. it would help us both out a lot right now. don't think it's in the cards for him though, so maybe he'd be willing to babysit me.

he used to roll with me but I don't think he's really interested anymore. I bought some pills over the weekend as a surprise and he completely shot me me down.

kinda bummed :/

 

i dont consider mdma psychedlia at all, but she would love it. idk anyone who doesnt like it. i think it'd be a good ease into altered states (but thats after weed. she smokes weed right?). if she likes it, then go for a few blotters of lsd.

 

i introduced my GF to LSD. she liked it.

4 years later she doesn't approve of my psychedelic use at all, and i highly doubt she'll ever trip with me again

it might be better to start her on 2ci, but i've never tried that one myself. a low dose of 2ce should be good too

 

You've posted that many times, but to this day, it still saddens me to read it

 

i wish my girlfriend would offer me mdma..i would be so happily surprised. im the one supplying her with all the goodies usually. i introduced her to 2c-p and she loved it. we have stayed up many a night tripping, sharing amazing moments with each other. the drug is not needed, it is just a plus.

 

Haha, I suppose my boyfriend initiated me into basically everything (including hipforums). The only thing I had done before dating him were weed and alcohol. I have enjoyed most of my trips quite a lot. The first real psychedelic we did together was shrooms and it was probably the most magical night of my life thus far. I am glad that was the one I started with. It just seems right. But whatever you choose will be right as long as you give her a reasonable dose and set a nice environment.

 

Thank you all for the good advice.

I think it probably is wisest that I just let her sit down and read about what we have available and think it over.

She says she's in a weird place emotionally, so I kind of think she wants that introspective experience, but i'll leave it up for her to decide.

And totally agreed best that I just kind of act as informer and let her claim and own the experience. Otherwise, yeah, I could see a 7-hour "this sucks i hate you" trip for feeling influenced into tripping.

This would be when I'm kicking myself for having pre-weighed doses, all around 20-23mg for both the 2ce and the 2ci. I really didn't want to be messing with my mg scale much because it's cheap and I figured it'd die on me if I abused the poor thing so I did all my weighing at once.

Actually just realized that, duh, i still have a scale. we can just take some out and reweigh until it's the right dose. yay.

I guess if and/or when we make that plunge together I'll update this thread and let you all know how it was. I'm getting more comfortable with the idea the more I think about it and reading what everyone has said. I mean, at some point everyone was that person who had never tripped before, and at some point someone in your life said "well, here you go. I trust you can handle this". All the better to have that first time which could be scary and or confusing to be with the person you're sharing this wacky adventure called life with.

I guess now I just get to sit back and help her research and let her come to a conclusion on what she would like to get into. I'll have her read through some stuff on here as well, erowid, bluelight, etc. I think tossing her a copy of Phikal might be a little premature!

Good to know that to people who have had the experience that the body load is a different feeling. It was kind of rough on me my first time on a phenalymine and I had nothing to compare it to.

Have a great ... you know ... moment!

 

Oh yeah, and speaking of ginger, we got this ginger beer (well, called ginger beer, it doesn't actually have alcohol) that has apparently 17 GRAMS of fresh ginger in each bottle. Going to see if drinking one of these after dosing before the come up helps with stomach issues. I think all that fresh ginger might keep calm the chance of nausea.

Anyone else ever seen this stuff? Ginger Beer? Usually sold in 4-packs in the soda aisle?

http://www.reedsinc.com/brews

I'll let you know if it helps keep the stomach any calmer. We also have some actual fresh ginger root we can dice up and swallow as well if needed.

Also interested to see if the stomach reacts the same after switching recently to a healthier diet.

 

I've heard of ginger beer. Never tried it though. I'm not sure if it would work as well as freshly ground ginger though.

About the measurements....you don't even have to use a scale, if you're worried about it dying. Just dump a pre-measured dose into some liquid and do a liquid measurement.

 

my beautiful amazing girlfriend was always a little interested in mushroom, so once we really fell in love we trippeeed titp here and there,

she seems to understand psychonaut use of them, and also just for a good time.