Gay babies? Live or die?

Ok. But we are talking about hindsight here.

 

If we were wild animals who did nothing but eat shit reproduce and die, then yes, you would be right...

But that thing that 'most' people have between their ears, is what seperates us from the wild animals... works of the mind are what made us a civilization rather then a pack of monkeys...

You wouldn't be sitting there typing on that computer, over the internet if it wasn't for what peoples minds produced...

 

well, I still stand tall with my opinion; I know it's a bad view in most peoples opinion but I was simply giving the BLUNT idea that homosexuals, most of the time, don't further the existence of human beings. Suppose that was more of a scientific side of things, but I don't think of a homosexual any differently then I would anyone else.

 

So you want to abort all babies regardless of sexual orientation??

 

very good point, I do agree with you. suppose I didn't state my opinion with much detail, lol

 

It just felt contradictory slightly.
If you are merely talking procration then one gay person - within a couple or on their own - can have their own biological child.
Culturally speaking, man, you are onto a loser there.
I won't even go there.

I beg to differ.

 

That's very nice of you to say, but that wasn't really what I asked. I meant how would you view my gender, would you view that as any different to other females?

But society in general terms (at least in western societies) does not ridicule or show prejudice to people of different races. 100 years ago, this would have been different, but as of now, racism is far less prevelant now than it used to be. And certainly far less than prejudice towards people who fall foul of gender norms. A good example of this, is lots of people are not racist in any way, but are prejudiced towards people who fall foul of gender norms. That doesn't happen vice versa, as racist people are usually prejudiced against all minorities, not just different races. Racists are generally also homophobic, and most certainly would be bigoted towards trans/intersex people as well.

What you're failing to realise here, is that just being able to be seen as yourself is something very basic. Most people do not even think about this, and take it for granted, as they have always been treated as the gender they are. When something so basic as your gender is not being recognised, it does dehumanize you. I also said I could only be happy if I could live a normal life as a woman. I fail to see how that is possible in a world where most would not see me as a real woman if they knew about my condition. I can live as a woman, certainly. But a normal life the way most other females live? That isnt really possible, and that is because of society. People not recognizing your gender hits you right at the very core of your being. I do want to be accepted as the gender I am, and why shouldnt I? Should I just accept being classed as a lesser woman, or not even a woman at all?

There is a difference between a non-intersex person discussing the issue, and telling an intersex person the way they should feel, or live their life. The more people who know about intersex, the better. And I think as an issue, it needs to be discussed. Most people would feel uncomfortable doing so, because it completely destroys conventional notions of gender ''norms''. The existence of intersex people pretty much blows the narrow gender binary that most adhere to, apart. I am not sure if most in society are quite ready to accept that the commonly held concept of gender is a lie. And Im sure the medical profession tried to hide intersex conditions from general society to try and perpetuate the illusion of narrow gender binary that most subscribe to. People need to know these things, but I dont think most in society are ready for it.

 

Well, I don't see any point in continuing to go in this circle...

If you can't accept that your happiness is dependent on you alone, then all I can say is I hope you find whatever happiness you can....

 

ChronicTom made a good point. If you are saying the only reason you'd abort a gay child is because it can't procreate, then you are also condemning non-gay people who are infertile, and heterosexuals who don't want kids.

Procreation is not the be all and end all. The planet is hideously overpopulated as it is anyway. Anyways, plenty of otherwise worthless people procreate, yet you'd put them above people who contribute to plenty to the world, but just decide not to have children? That sounds like pretty warped logic to me. And I also think stating that opinion, while saying you dont mind gay people, sounds very hypocritical to me.

 

MrDot... I want to make something clear here...

I didn't jump all over you because you stated your opinion... others stated their opinion that was the same as yours... as in you would kill your child if you knew it would be gay... without having the same thing happen...

But you went one step further, from stating your opinion on the question at hand, to stating a premise that if someone doesn't reproduce, they don't contribute anything to humanity... In one swoop, you managed to totally misrepresent what humans are, and equate us all on the planet to nothing but breeding factories... Although this may be true of some people, it is most definitely not true of all.

That was what sparked the rest...

 

isn't this planet overpopulated enough?
we don't yet have enough pregnant teenagers? we don't yet have enough kids living in poverty and/or in abusive families?
seriously?

 

I understand this now, wasn't paying much attention to what I had said. From the view of all humans as just ANIMALS, then what I said makes sense, but when it comes to the general welfare and living of the human race then what I said does not apply.

 

GATTACA - a great movie. And yeah, it did somewhat inspire this thread. However, most of the inspiration came from my experience of doing volunteer work for the homeless. There were so many very young GLBT folks living on the streets, and it was invariably due to being kicked out of the house - simply because of their sexual orientation. The saddest part was the parting words: "I wish you'd never been born." I heard this more times than I can count, and I was appalled that any parent could be so callous. I mean, throwing a 16 y/o out in the street is bad enough. But to say such hateful words to your own child - it's something I've never been able to forget.

--QP

 

I feel the same way. That's why it came as something of a shock - to learn that any parent would disown -and wish their child unborn - simply because he/she was GLBT.

--QP

 

Good answer. Sorry we got off on the wrong foot. And you ultimately left several insightful posts. :cheers2:

--QP

 

I don't think that's what Shale was saying - at all. Not really sure how you managed to come to such a conclusion?

--QP

 

No worries: I enjoyed reading your posts.

--QP

 

Meh, no worries and thanks...
I don't think we have spoken to each other before...sometimes it takes a little while to suss peoples intentions etc.

 

OK Kids how about a big group hug and sing some Kum bah yah. I was a little concerned for a bit that this one might go south...thanks to one and all it didn't.

 

Then ask if people would be open to having an LGBT child. Don't casually ask if they'd gay bash their own child to death. Christ on a crutch, that is screwed up. Basically your question is "are you an evil piece of shit?" Why stop there? Why not ask if they'd drink its blood? Use its skull for an ash tray? Fuck's sake... uke: