It's all kicking off in Afghanistan!!

Nope. I don't. I don't try and destroy free speech. Neither do I respond to provocation anymore.
I'm taking the piss out of you because it is pointless getting into any kind of conversation. I tried that for too long. Now I just make jokes at the stupid things you say.

 

odon we know thats BS don't we?

your job is to destroy this site

 

Odon, is there a major threat of terrorism in England? When was the last attack, what type of attack was it and do you not think you could possibly defend your country from terrorism from your country's soil?

 

I personally don't perceive a major threat to the UK...
This could be down to:
Me not paying enough attention.
The security services and activities abroad (i.e Afghanistan) thwarting major attacks from taking place more frequently than they have.
We are on a long list of countries that a disparate bunch of people infrequently pick to attack every now and again.
There is no real threat to the UK.

However, the Home Office thinks: The current terrorism threat level is Substantial.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/counter-terrorism/current-threat-level/

The last activities were:
2007 1 February: The 2007 Plot to behead a British Muslim soldier
2007, 29 June: 2007 London car bombs.
2008, 27 February: British police thwarted a suspected plot to kill Abdullah of Saudi Arabia during a state visit to Britain in the year 2007 a senior officer said.
2005 7 July: The 7 July 2005 London bombings conducted by four separate Islamist extremist suicide bombers, killing 56 people and injuring 700.
2007 January - February: The 2007 United Kingdom letter bombs
2007 30 June: 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack perpetrated by Islamist extremists.
2008 22 May: 22 May 2008 Exeter Bombing by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.

We (meaning the security services) do defend ourselves - on our own soil - from attack on a daily basis...
If you believe (...and I would not ask you to) the Home Office, there are approx 200 "plots" being investigated and prevented at any one time.

 

I just love how the media portrays the refugee villages outside Kabul and the orphanages..
And the old dude putting an opium pipe to a child's mouth, as this is suppose to be some kind of justification to this ongoing battle.. rotflmao..

 

The media? Who gives a toss about them?

 

Ooooohhhhhh. . . . I was almost with you till you dropped that remark.

 

You may appreciate guy is 7 shades of crazy but he does have his moments of sanity.
This thread wasn't one of them, imho.

 

the israelis have already announced that they intend to infiltrate forums to silence dissent - its no conspiracy - just ask the israelis - hell, you could probably become one of their volunteers, there's a few here you could team up with them if you like.

The ministry’s director-general Erez Halfon told Haaretz that over a million people who speak a second language are being targeted in a recruiting drive that will then direct the volunteers to web sites deemed “problematic.” Presumably their mission would be to troll comment boards and forums with pro-Zionist arguments, a public relations stunt that we have seen employed by other entities such as Monsanto and more recently Centcom and the U.S. Air Force.
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html

this kind of thing appeals to the fanatics , i'd say that a significant proportion of the israeli populace and jewish people probably wouldn't bother with this kind of nonsense.


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Here is the first paragraph from that website:

"The Immigrant Absorption Ministry announced on Sunday it was setting up an "army of bloggers," to be made up of Israelis who speak a second language, to represent Israel in "anti-Zionist blogs" in English, French, Spanish and German."

This does not say or indicate that these people are being sent out to troll internet forums. Just blogs. People who can't argue their case (because its hard to argue something that is not only false but ridiculous too) have resorted to twisting this around to mean that agents are invading forums everywhere too.

Your comment mostly turned me off because I can't count on all of my fingers and toes how many times I've seen conspiracy theorists on this forum accusing anyone who disagrees with the conspiracy theory of being Israeli agents. Do you really think, assuming these people are really even spending their time in forums (which this article never states in any way) that they would waste their time on our political forum? There are like. .. what. . . maybe ten regulars at best? another twenty or thirty occasional visitors? Israel isn't going to waste money sending a bunch of undercover agents to try to persuade maybe 40 people to support Zionism.

These accusations are constantly flying around the forum. They're just desperate and pathetic attempts to discredit people who, using irrefutable logic or evidence, have pointed out the gaping holes in conspiracy theorist's paranoid ramblings. Usually these people are not even promoting zionism. They're just attacking the idea that the jews are responsible for every major event that has ever taken place and are controlling everything behind the scenes and so on and so forth, or whatever other nutty conspiracy somebody might be crapping into the forums.

You and i would probably agree that Israel - it's leadership, not the country and its people as a whole - is dispicable. And that the idea that that one group of people should be forced out of their homeland to make room for another people to whom something bad happened (which the first group had absolutely nothing to do with) and whose religion says they are entitled to that land, is just completely insane. So if you were thinking of accusing me of being a "low level israeli agent," go ahead. I could use a good laugh.

On topic - I don't think the people calling the shots in our military have the interest, nor does the media have the balls, to tell us the real reasons we are in afghanistan. We're obviously not doing this to save some kids from old guys letting them smoke opium. Nor are we doing this to stop terrorism (well, sort of in a way, but its terrorism that wouldn't have existed if we hadn't stumbled into afghanistan in the first place). I know we love to call the Taliban terorrists, but they're not - or at least they weren't. I'm sure we've pissed them off enough now to seriously consider looking into that profession. . . but to be a terrorist you have to kill innocent people to promote a political or religious cause.

Its more complicated than that though. . . For instance, if somebody catches a priest going out to a strip club and decides to follow him home and shoot him in the head for corrupting the faith. . that person is not a terrorist. He's just a murderer. On the other hand, if somebody walks into a church full of people and starts gunning them down indiscriminantly for corrupting the faith by participating in capitalism and watching the corrupt form of entertainment known as television. . .and does so with the intention that news of the occurrence will spread quickly and scare the shit out of a lot of christians. . . that person is most definitely a terrorist.

I'm still not articulating it as well as I'd like to. .. but my overall point is that afghanistan has nothing to do with terrorism, so why are people still arguing that fighting a war there is somehow going ot prevent it? The argument seems to be something like this:

The taliban sheltered bin laden and al qaeda after 9/11.

BL/AQ are terrorists

Therefore, the taliban are terrorist

Therefore, by eliminating the taliban we may prevent more terrorist attacks.

The truth is there is a custom in afghanistan. According to this custom, if anyone comes to you asking for your help you MUST provide it to them. These people take their traditions seriously. Its not like they chose to shelter al qaeada because they were huge fans of what bin laden had done. Most likely they didn't give a shit either way. All they new was these people had come to them and politely asked for help and, as custom demands, they provided it.

Naturally these people didn't just give up Bin Laden when we demanded they turn him over. To do so would be to violate custom and lose one's honor.

I'm not saying this is right or wrong. What I am trying to point out that the taliban were not terrorists, at least not in any sense that they would be a threat to us.

I don't claim to know the exact reasons we are there, but i think the reality of it has a lot to do with two important issues:

1. Iran is a neighboring country and may be on the verge of having nukes. That scares us. Lucky we've already set up shop in Iraq and, hopefully, will do the same in afghanistan so we can catch them in a pincer attack if need be.

2. Pakistan, another neighboring country, has an unstable government. I also has nukes. It also has Taliban who are really pissed off at us. Oh, did I mention it also probably has bin laden too (if he's even still alive)?

Basically this thing we have going in afghanistan isn't really about afghanistan at all except as a strategic position.

 

Maybe i should have broken that up into two posts

 

"Your comment mostly turned me off because I can't count on all of my fingers and toes how many times I've seen conspiracy theorists on this forum accusing anyone who disagrees with the conspiracy theory of being Israeli agents. Do you really think, assuming these people are really even spending their time in forums (which this article never states in any way) that they would waste their time on our political forum? There are like. .. what. . . maybe ten regulars at best? another twenty or thirty occasional visitors? Israel isn't going to waste money sending a bunch of undercover agents to try to persuade maybe 40 people to support Zionism."

people have rallied to the call to silence discussion and criticism. israel has become a spolit child that will not tolerate any criticism - principally because the religion sees non jewish opinion as poison. not being the chosen means that non jews should have no views or be able to criticise jews simply because non jews have not been given a mandate by god to criticise jews. by criticising jews in the eyes of the fanatic you are criticising god - then we've got a problem because we all know from the old testament what god thinks about people doing that.

the old testament hasn't seen any serious revision for thousands of years which is a problem because the world moves on.


rabin was knocked off by a religious maniac, israel has devolved into a de facto theocracy.

 

but an opinion never the less

at least this post wasn't bloated with links and cut and paste

i find it hard to believe that attacking various countries on the opposite side of the world is really going to solve anything

but the war goes on whether you want it or not, which is what happens when the government no longer obeys the people but a long list of "lobby" groups hell bent on bringing hellfire and damnation to the middle east for no reason other than religious warfare.

 

Guy, what about gEo_tehaD_returns comments about this forum?

"Your comment mostly turned me off because I can't count on all of my fingers and toes how many times I've seen conspiracy theorists on this forum accusing anyone who disagrees with the conspiracy theory of being Israeli agents. Do you really think, assuming these people are really even spending their time in forums (which this article never states in any way) that they would waste their time on our political forum? There are like. .. what. . . maybe ten regulars at best? another twenty or thirty occasional visitors? Israel isn't going to waste money sending a bunch of undercover agents to try to persuade maybe 40 people to support Zionism."

 

the israelis have told everyone what they intend to do,its no mystery what they want to do when they have announced it the world.

it couldn't be clearer.

the aim is to silence, by hook or crook.

 

There is no need to reiterate what you have already said.

I wouldn't mind you posting "what they intend" (with a source)...unless that is to kill all Arabs...I've heard that one.

I was asking about THIS forum.
We might have been over this, so perhaps, rather than repeating yourself (for a change ) just post a link to a specific thread where you have spoken about this before.

 

odon

have you ever been to israel?

 

You should know, according to you I live/work there.

Anyhoo, I asked the question, your supposed to answer it, not ask another.

 

well odon

that was my answer

have you ever been there?

have a look around

 

What a stupid answer. It doesn't even make sense.