psychotic depression and mental hospitals

Your laughable. What a load of doublespeak bullshit!
You do realize that are very large percentage of mental illness' are bio-chemical in cause don't you? If all depression and other types of mental illness were the result of the type of crap you attribute them too then the majority of people would not find relief from a chemical substance.

But I do realize that you have attained the ripe old age of 23 and have therefore done all, experienced all, and know all.

But just in case you missed it I'll let you in on a secret.
Most times an illness is just an illness with absolutely NO connection, reason, cause, or any damn thing relating to any spiritual or "weak-minded" thing in a persons life.

Just remember these little gems your tossing out here whenever you or somebody close to you gets diagnosed with clinical depression, or some other mental problem. Then you can just tell them it's all because they are weak minded.

 

i would reccomend that you spend some time meditating

 

I can see where greenspectral is coming from.

I think where his error is, though, is that he forgot that he doesn't KNOW Cherokee, and therefore can't truly make a credible estimation of his condition.

When he read Cher's post I think he analyzed him and compared Cher to himself.

The opinions he formed and related to us about Cherokee are what would be true for himSELF if HE was in that condition. Greenspectral apparently doesn't have any severe immediate psychotic problems, so if HE was caught in the same thought processes as Cherokee was, then he could attribute it to he HIMSELF being the things he's said (silly, ego-centric, etc).

Remember, the only way to KNOW a person, as to BE that person.


Aside from that, why call names and use sarcasm against each other? Greenspectral wasn't as tactful in his first replies as most of us would have liked, but still, if he wasn't trying to HELP, he probably wouldn't have posted in the first place. He actually put time and a lot of thought into his assessment of Cherokee, and I'm certain it was meant to provide just another perspective on the situation. Sure, it sounded insensitive and mean. But let's face it, everyone who struck back with names, sarcasm ridicule did not help Cherokee, Greenspectral, or themselves.

drugsrbad

 

:cheers2:

:cheers2...I experienced exactly that except the God idea is still dominating my head and i couldnt hear chatter in my head.I didnt want the friends i had thats why i stayed isolated. Lol.Iam able to produce the dates of when my mind vanished. From October 28th 2008 until about november of last year because it was my first time playing the guitar and i had classes set up. I should have had proffesonial help from that date. ANGER lol.Everything was crazy!!!!!!!

Gerald soon realized what he was doing with his hair and had a panic attack.I woudnt have taken antipsychotic pills either though.

 

Gerald's fucking out of it lol. To think that could happen to anyone by the age of 25 spoooOoOoOoky

 

yeah ive been taking the state of my minds health into consideration these days...Its become alot better since the apakloza but iam not how i want to be

 

No one is

 

thanks, and yeah definitely for now.

i think when i'm older and stabilized im gonna take it real easy. i did a lot of drugs just cause they were around and no more of that. however, there's still a place in my heart for trying mescaline and i'll have to do that before my time is up. i have some definite settling in to do, though, before i'll take challenges like that.

and cataclysmic cognition, meditation is definitely helpful... i've been going to a Buddhist meditation center and it's definitely good for my mental health to be getting out and involved with other people, not to mention the obvious benefits of meditation.

 

Yeah I'm not how I want to be totally. But realizing what I am and accepting it helps me be who I can be and see what I want to see. Not in some psychotic way but in away of realizing all the good that is possible.

That is unfortunate that you went down that path, Cherokee. It seems as though many of us go down this path to some extent. You got the heebeegeebies pretty bad though and I'm sorry to hear that.

To me this sounds like a case of one major aspect of hallucinogen use manifesting over all others. It takes mental stability, self discipline to be able balance it out with aspects I find also exist in hallucinogenic thinking or even take any sort of stand against it. So I applaud you. Some people feel so trapped, they see no way out.

Being able to make sense of chaos is a hard and long process. At least to me I know it all fits together. All thinking has its place.

Antipsychotics and antidepressants don't really do it for me though. My huge break through was from giving psychedelics another shot, off of psychiatric meds, using my own thinking process. The same one I find may have developed from hallucinogenic fungi eaten in the earlier stages of human developmental history. When I take fungi I experience this thinking and definitely see how it's related to many patterns of thought in clear sober thinking.

Good luck!

 

I'm not a big fan of alternative medicine because (1) so much is based on pretty flaccid science, (2) there's way too much overstatement, and (3) mainstream medicine usually works well. But each to her or his own and it would be foolish to ignore one or the other.

The below was reported in Reuters today. And though you aren't an exact match with their study criteria and there's much more study to do before reaching firm conclusions, still, fish oil is good for most people (cardiovascular benefits) and why not?

Quote: "The researchers included people who met at least one of the following three criteria: having low-level psychotic symptoms; having transient psychotic symptoms; or having a schizophrenia-like personality disorder or a close relative with schizophrenia, along with a sharp decline in mental function within the past year.

Seventy-six of the 81 study participants, or 94 percent, completed the trial, Amminger noted, which underscores the safety and tolerability of fish oil.

At one year, 5 percent of the study participants taking omega-3s had developed a psychotic disorder (2 of 41 people), compared to 28 percent of those on placebo (11 of 40). People taking fish oil also showed significant reductions in their psychotic symptoms and improvements in function, while they were at no greater risk of adverse effects than people taking placebo capsules.

The effect of fish oil capsules, Amminger noted, was similar to that seen in two trials of antipsychotic drugs in at-risk individuals."

Link is here: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6105QQ20100201. If your meds are working, good to stay with them, but why not add a few gel caps of fish oil? I couldn't find orig article (Archives of General Psychiatry) - not yet published - but surely avail in a few days.

 

you consider fish oil alternative medicine?

 

It seems like an alternative in terms of mental illness. Whatever, it's a good thing.

 

try saying that to someone in psychosis.

"again, it's only a perception. step outside of the perception using strength of mind, and you see the nature of the psychosis objectively"

see, the thing is, when you're psychotic, you lose the ability to look at anything objectively.

you can analyze it afterwards, just like the OP has done.

I think your intentions are good but to suggest psychosis is related to a 'weak mind' is rubbish and damaging/stigmatising. i too tried to explain away psychosis to my brother who is paranoid schizophrenic. it's futile.

the ability to have insight is lost during an active psychotic episode, you must realise and accept that. step out of your own mindset and appreciate others.

 

That is the major problem with that psychotic state there is no ability for rational thinking. It's a thin line between where I am and that, but once you've set yourself on a clear path your brain adjusts to think in that way.

 

im going through the anti-social daydream thing at the moment.
like i will be outside and laugh to myself, and have very subjective thoughts.
Ive had it constantly for like the last two years and never really realized until after reading the OP.
What can you do to come out of it?

 

stop doing drugs, eat healthy, sleep healthy, get regular exercise. stop smoking pot too. and cigarettes, if that applies and you can.

maybe with time, it will go away. you can also try some antipsychotics/ssris. but try the first suggestion.

 

Serious question. Maybe all the renunciations and positive steps at once.

Maybe a little bit at a time, structured, like starting with a fast 30-45 minute walk 5 days a week or every day and after a week, giving up one drug (put it on the altar) and by the 3rd week running some, doing good deeds 30 minutes a day, drinking lots of water, give up another, and as the weeks unfold, digging a garden, more good deeds, and so on.

Wishing you well.

 

Damnn howd I miss this thread?? Glad your cool still cherockee have a good one bro.

 

^ excellent advice imo.... take small but positive steps... there's nothing more daunting to someone who is low than trying to do too much or give up too much at once.

 

I go about my life feeling like what you've explained....but i know theirs a reason why we see the reality of things when we are high...what you were doing was wrong because you were not willing to accept what you were experiencing just thinking negative thoughts you went about it wrong thats why in the end you get stuck, so you go back to what society considers normal! but its your choice if you dont want to see the world the way it really is if you cant handle that and embrace it then its good you went back to going with the flow..what ever works for you right?