WOW is all i could fuckin say half the night. so friday night I convince my girlfriend to take a walk on the wild side with me. At the beginning of the night we were only going to eat the methylone but after a little cohersion she gave in. 11:20- We both drop 200 mg of Methylone 11:45- we both consume 15 mg of 4ACODMT. This is her average dose, but I decided to lowball mine just incase she got too fucked up and needed some help, It turns out she did just fine and I probably could have upped the 4ACO even further for me. we make a place to lay on the floor with blankets and chill for the come up. 12:30 - 3:00 the effects of the methylone are almost in full effect and we are both about half way peaked on the 4acoDMT. The feeling from the methylone with the addition of the 4aco almost felt identical to a good clean roll (I don't roll anymore because most of the pills in my area are shit and the molly isn't pure by any means) along iwth some stellar visuals. We tried to have sex at this time but my dick was IN THE DIRT for a couple hours. I'm a fairly young guy who doesn't have this problem on methylone alone but will on very high doses of mdma, so this was a ittle but of a bummer. I did not have much OEV but my girlfriend said everything looked like it had texture to it and lines waving thrugh it. CEV's were a completely different story though. I closed my eyes and it was almost as vivid as DMT. except early into the trip it was all geometrical lines and shapes with differing colors while at the peak/ towards the end of the trip I could control what I was seeing and even had the ability to have CEV's in 3D( only a couple other times once again on DMT). After a while though I would close my eyes and see some random ass shit every time I opened and closed them it was something else. After laying around for a while we smoked a blunt then we tried to play with some glow sticks but I was so fucked up I only got the the point of tying them together and then I dind't wanna do anything else with em. 3:00- dropped another 100 mg booster dose bk-mdma 3:30-5:00 well my johnson finally got to work and sex was amazing. Orgasm was about as good as a good roll(not just 1) but I wouldn't say quite as good. once effects were mostly gone we eached popped a half MG Alazoparam and had a first few hours of restless sleep(still sleep though) then slept pretty well once it all completely wore off. All in all this was a fucking awesome combo I am definately gong to try again. the methylone seemed to be the perfect amount, although the 4acoDMt seemed it could have gone up to 25 mg for me easily.
15mg is a low dose...which salt did you have? the Fum. salt is common now, which is slightly less potent but more stable [15mg of the HCL salt is equal to ~20.6 of the fum salt...thanks pork!] take 30-40mg next time! ...but sounds REALLY fun... i'd never want to combine a trypt like 4-aco-dmt with MDxx [for a few personal reasons] i wouldn't want to feel both at the same time...
Ya it was the fumurate salt. I definatley planned on takin at least 25 -30 mg next time. is your reasoning behind a 4-aco-dmt and MDXX too personal or do you mind sharing? The only downside from this combo is I have been gettin REALLY light headed when standing up these past couple days, but it seems to be subsiding.
psilocin like compounds and MDx compounds give me feelings which i don't think i should feel at the same time....or at least not at this point. someday maybe i will try a combo like this [in similar doses to yours], but mushrooms+mdma is something i wouldn't do. [i don't need to feel a childlike tryptamine effect and then roll...i have a feeling it would just turn the trip into something hedonistic...which there's nothing wrong with, but for me the MDx compounds are always just hedonistic.]
lol. thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread. thanks got some 4aco dmt on the way now , and this totalyl made me consider possibly tracking down some methylone... been considering it for a while but never seriously and this sorta gave me a little extra push sounds like a bad ass time
Hippie Flipping is one of my favorite combos ever... But I have to do it in the woods. I guess that is why I like it, I get to be young and free again in the woods and do whatever child like activities I can think of... The best time ever was a night full of about a 1/2 oz mushooms and 5 good clean rolls. We had a bunch of mini kayaks and went sledding, I really don't know how I didn't die that night flying down a mountain at 80+ mph through the trees in a mini kayak... But it was epic. I was so high I thought the kayak was glowing in the dark cause it was such a bright color. There was probably 7 kayaks total flying down the mountain all at once, I was amazed we didn't run into eachother with no mobile skills, let alone get impailed by a tree or something. Fun times. I hippie flip at almost every festival one night, and then add whatever I can find to the mix.
MDMA and i just don't get along well.. the "hyphy" culture here in california kinda ruined it for me before i even took it....though they're just munching amps and bzp. it's something i feel kind of guilty about taking, and i wouldn't want that on a head full of mushrooms.
i've never hippy flipped but always wantd too. mushrooms were so here and there when the ectasy in my area was decent. anymore all the pills are bzp and i don't know what the fuck the "molly" is. 4 acodmt is the shit alone or in combination with other trypts (4acodipt is a pretty good addition and mushrooms were pretty cool too), methylone is kinda boring by itself if you ask me. but my gf likes it tho and ive heard its good with 2ci(next methylone combo to try) too so it serves it's purpose for me.
thats 100%true. my g/f doesn't really like psychedelics but loves entactogens so we have to switch it up to make us both happy. isn't your hubby sort of the same way PL? although she claimed to have an "epiphany" with the 4-acodmt/methylone combo so I might have to put her to the test soon..if not I still got my trippin buddy.
I have always wanted to either Hippy Flip or Candy Flip but I've always been a bit afraid of either combo, even though I am very comfortable with each drug on it's own or in combo with weed. I am VERY, VERY experienced with shrooms having had them over 40-50 times, VERY comfortable with MDMA/MDA having had over 70-80 rolls, relatively comfortable with LSD having had mid grade and ultra grade (Hoffman Anniversary....they came in at 420mcg/hit, needles to say even half a hit would give the effects that an entire hit of mid grade LSD would give, much less 1 or 2 hits at a time) and regarding Methylone I've had it twices while Mephedrone I've had about 20-30 times. I've never gotten a crash or a bad/stimulant comedown from MDMA or MDA, but I have from Methylone......much more so than the crash from Mephedrone, although I had a crash from dirty/adultered Ecstasy pills. Anyways between a candyflip and a hippyflip I honestly wanted to hippyflip, as I saw it a bit safer in respects to the duration of the trip, and also easier to time the 2 drugs. It so happend at the time I had 5 hits of very weak LSD, with each hit at around 80-90mcg. In a side note, generally speaking in Canada this is the 'normal grade' LSD available on the streets (LSD being also very rare to find in Canada). The 210mcg Hoffmans were from Europe and also they were made especially strong due to the anniversary...those hits looked exactly like the bicycle blotters on erowid except that they had the year of the anniversary on them, when I had 2 of those I was litterally in the sky. The LSD hits I had this time were all blue in colour, made in Canada and comparing them to the Hoffman hits I would say they were less than half as strong, so I'd say 80-90mcg per hit. Regarding MDMA & MDA, we are very lucky where we live in Canada b/c there is top quality MDMA/MDA and it's plentiful. Determining quality with MDMA/MDA you really just need a milligram (0.000mg) scale and take a dose according to erowid's estimation on dosage. This means that 125mg-130mg taken orally should give everybody that tries it a full blown experience. As everybody knows MDMA is not effective in dosages less then 90mg-80mg, UNLIKE Mephedrone which from experience although 180mg-200mg either oral or snorted is very much like a roll lacking in duration and psychedlia a bit compared to MDMA however there are DEFINATE effects with as low as 40mg...where as with MDMA if you take 80mg rather than 125mg-130mg there really isn't anything, (not that it matters but our Molly usually differs in colour from brownish to white to tan, however usually the best ones come in the form of crystals, not like meth, but something that looks like hard candy made of crystals). The conclusion is that I know my drugs, especially the drugs I'm taking and I can tell you for a fact that the Molly I had was in fact MDMA and it was as pure as it could be. I was addicted to heroin at that time smoking/chasing it, usually a gram a day and this is FAR from black tar or mexican. Two long time users/buddies from all the way across the other side of the country one from Alberta and another one from Manitoba both said the H they got from our area was stronger than any kinds of H in their area, so this was a very high tolerence I had to heroin. THE EXPERIENCE: (My 2nd Candyflip) By myself, relaxed setting, late at night...around 11am-12am at night. Due to their low potency I took 4 hits at once, and 2 hours later I took the other hit. I had very high grade cannabis (one or two hits and your high, a full pipe and your stoned kind). A beautiful Jack Herer...gorgeous bud, strong cerebral and very psychedelic high. Unfortunatley I also had a litle more than a full gram of heroin right beside the Jack Herer and it was litteraly starting at me and calling out to me even before I dropped the LSD. I had weighted out 105mg MDMA (usually I take 125mg-135mg depending on tolerence) because I still had doubts about the combination not knowing the exact power of these two amazing psychedelics. I had also weighted out 2 piles of 60mg MDMA as well as one pile containing 80mg. 0:00- 4 hits LSD (400mcg-450mcg)...... 0:00- Smoking bud 0:45- Definatley starting to climb up 1:30- Giggling, lauging, euphoric enough without the MDMA however considering I had 4 hits it was one of the weakest trips i've had for the amount eaten so I ate another hit around this time (don't get me wrong, I had a definate trip going on but I was not 'in the sky' like my 420mcg Hoffman experience....i couldn't maintain a conversation with my parents for example but I could still maintain/handle my self and what was happening inside my mind.....usual LSD high 2:00- At the 2hr, maximum 2 1/2hr point I dropped the 100mg-105mg MDMA 3:00- Beautiful, the LSD experience became more 'focused' and 'directed' in a positive and beautiful direction/energy. The ego was softened already from the LSD, previous to this I was thinking the MDMA would harden the ego as well I expected for the MDMA to give a sort of synthetic classic 'phenethylamine'/uplifting to the point of stimulation. What happended was the exact opposite, the LSD high would usually be accompanied by slight noticable stimulation around this time/ a little anxiety (while coming up, or rather *after* coming up), the MDMA washed over with tranquility and serenity. Maybe due to the small dose of MDMA or due to the combo the shift into MDMA was completley unnoticable and it felt just like another phase/peak/part of the LSD experience, it blended in perfectally. There was a definate 'phenethylamine' effect where the giggles and maniac laughter of LSD all of a sudden stopped and instead the experience became more euphoric overall as if the laughter was concentrated only in my stomach, now with MDMA I could experience this laughter as a 'cosmic laughter' in that it was all over my body and outside of my body too rather than one specific area of the body. 4:00- I took my first couple hits of H since having started the trip. I initially did this just to make sure I was 100% withdrawl free, but continued till I got calm and stoned from the H (in other words high but not so high to nod), probably smoked no more than 1 point (100mg). 5:00- I took another MDMA pile of 60mg which didn't do what I wanted in other words it only extended the effects of the previous dose but not getting to that point where you can roll to the point of your eyes rolling in your head (which in retrospect might have been a bit too much) so with the other 80mg I just took small bumps not so much to make the effects stronger but really just to avoid having any kind of crash from MDMA while tripping on LSD...although I have never gotten a true crash from MDMA where its hard to chew, and you feel depleted like shit for the next few days however I do feel a slight comedown if I am already on psychedelics so best I tought was to comedown from MDMA around 8-10hrs after the initial LSD hit. After the 60mg I gave up on the Candyflip concluding that #1, I should have taken the MDMA later on in the trip (as to comedown around hour 9-10 after LSD) and #2 I didn't dose the MDMA properly (however, better safe than sorry...u can always live to try another Candyflip ) With the rest of my weighted MDMA I just did small bumps to extend the high until the LSD would come to an end. 6:00- I started getting tired of trying to analyze the trip as there was too much going on, so I decided to just sit back and enjoy both the euphoric nature of the trip as well as the psychedelic quality of the approximatley 500-550mgc of LSD I had taken. I did this by putting on my favorite shows 'Seinfeld', I packed a pipe of Jack Herer, I got my tube and tin foil out and started to smoke heroin until the trip was over. This combination resulted in an extra euphoric/orgasmic experience. To be honest the heroin really didn't affect the Candyflip because the MDMA was basically coming down at this point and the LSD was still going realatively strong due to the strong Sativa cannabis that I smoked throughout the experience as well, in part to the ending effects of the MDMA which made the psychological part of the trip a bit strange considering that before I was in complete 'cosmic euphoria' and now I was just simply 'happy' without anything too ecstatic as MDMA's 'phenethylamine' and slightly stimulating (pulling the trip towards one side/direction) rather than letting the LSD just be and pulse throughout the body... Basically even though only the MDMA was really wearing off, the MDMA wearing off in turn affected the LSD experience so after analyzing my situation it was clear that the only logic thing to do instead of trying to extend the MDMA 'high' with bumps which even with bumps was not a high anymore but just an empathogenic stimulant effect and at this point it was loosing empathogenic effects and increasing in stimulant effects the more I'd push it with MDMA. The only logical thing to do was sit in front of the television with a pipe of weed and smoke heroin as this was the perfect comedown to an almost perfect experience. 8:00- For me an MDMA only experience, as well as an LSD only experience is definatley a bit stimulating/uplifting at the end though nothing overwhelming. The only downside from a candyflip is a very noticable/strong stimulation at the end. This time I had none of these effects and actually enjoyed (as usuall) the mood lift and afterglow that I still had. By this time I smoked around half gram Jack Herer *at most* during this course of time, as well I smoked about 1/2g heroin. 11:00-12:00- The entire experience was over with the expection of a minor afterglow, by now I had smoked 3/4g heroin. Shortly in around 16hrs-20hrs I had smoked the entire gram of heroin but like I said this was a normal thing at the time. CONCLUSION: A wonderful experience all in all, what I would change is I would have taken the MDMA at hour 4 even 5 after the LSD hits and I would have taken 1 dose of 120mg-130mg and ONLY if I though neccessary only 1 single re-dose of 50mg or 60mg at hour 7-8 after LSD. Regarding heroin its never a good idea however I know tons of people that use narcotics like oxys and heroin *ONLY* when coming down on MDMA. Other people like to use Ketamine also I've noticed for MDMA comedowns but I've never tried it on the comedown. Since many people including myself, whenever coming down on MDMA I never crash rather its an afterglow which is wonderful on its own though there is a DEFINATE difference between the insane euphoria u feel on the peak and the regular happy more human euphoria on the afterglow...probably its b/c of the seratonin & dopamine depletion but it's always a happy afterglow...so its pretty natural to take euphoria inducing drugs when coming down MDMA since MDMA itself is a euphoria orientated drug. WARNINGS: (General) Previous to this trip I had done 1 Candyflip (also by myself) which started out with either 1 hit LSD at 210mcg (Hoffman Anniversary) or maybe 1 and half hit so the maximum I took was 315mcg (unfortunatley I can't remeber exactly. The LSD trip was excellent (I've never had a bad LSD trip, and out of all the shroom trips I had maybe 3 bad trips and they were when I wasn't comfortable with psychedelics now that I think about it). I was around 6-7hrs so it was still going strong for me....at that time I was on laying on my bed listening to music and to how much richer it sounded. This gave me the idea to take a dose of MDMA. I weighted 125mg-130mg MDMA which I felt safe taking since I felt that the LSD trip I had at that time could be managed and that the insanity of the trip was now behind. When that MDMA hit I remember that I was at a different level....very nice, excellent trip. Not even 1 hour had passed since my first MDMA dose, and while in that psychedelic haze (NEVER DO THIS) I went to my scale and tried to measure more MDMA for a re-dose......not only was my vision fucked to operate a scale, but my mind wasn't working right when I really thought it was and when working with chemicals that have a great potential for both good and destruction its like playing with fire. I was supposed to have measured out something like 50-60mg but I measured out 80mg-90mg and to be honest I don't even think that a full hour had even passed since I initially took the 1st MDMA dose (the reason I took it so early was #1 I was fucked and not in the best state of mind to make these kind of decisions and #2 This was my first Candyflip and for some reason I though I should have had more visuals and I approached the next re-dose like an idiot). What happend next was I turned pale, the music faded till I head nothing, I lost my memory (amnesia) due to excessive MDMA in such a short time, I was unconscious for about 1-2hrs (nothing happend as in hospital God forbid) but afterwards maybe after 2hrs I awoke to find I was still very, very high. I woke up shaking, feeling cold, still pale, scared, nauseaus and throwing up. This candyflip rapidly turned bad/shitty/dangerous. I was even talking with a friend after my first MDMA dose and I was so euphoric, then he called me as I was waking up and we only spoke like 2 sentances and he could tell I wasn't feeling good at all. I ended up taking clonazepam and clonidne to relax and I should mention that when I woke up the stimulation was overpowering. BTW....when this 1st Candyflip happend I was not using or addicted to any narcotics. p.s. The overstimulating nature of the tail end of a Candyflip is also due entirely on how much MDMA you take and the frequency of MDMA dosing (the higher amount you take and the more frequent you take it the bigger are chances of this happening, which is why I recommend you limit your MDMA to 1 or 2 doses during an LSD trip and probably 1 dose for a Hippyflip. I believe the reason people take too much MDMA is b/c they expect to have SUPER CRAZY visuals but this isn't really the case (especially if that is all you are expecting).
