If the guy wanted the baby

Women get abortions... there's another harsh reality.

 

Sometimes I love you

 

It's my good looks.

 

Man doesn't have any say in it and will get totally screwed over in the courts if the parents separate, that's the point.

 

Probably... I could never compare

 

Yeah, I'm agreeing, I'm just saying he shouldn't have any say then if she wants an abortion.

 

oh he shouldn't, but I think if the man wants to keep it the woman should seriously consider that option vs having to abort a fetus, on the flip side if a woman wants to keep it and the man doesn't, well he needs to deal with it, he knew his sperm might reach an egg.

 

Don't fuck some psycho Christian bitch and you won't have to deal with her wanting to keep it.

 

That's just the point I was trying to make I do think the woman should discuss it with the guy for sure I would never just get an abortion without talking to him first... but I will still make my own decision at the end of the day.

 

To me, an abortion is way better than an unloved child. This kid will always wonder why his mom isn't there with him and caring for him. The absence of one of the parents is a huge lack in a kid's life and very traumatizing for them. Even if the father takes good care of that kid and has a new lover, it's not like he is in contact with his mother. Another woman could never replace his mother.

I'm 100% for abortion in all cases, a woman shouldn't have to go through a pregnancy if she doesn't want to, no matter what the father thinks about it. And since when is it a "murder" to "kill" something that isn't living yet? If you throw your baby down the stairs and kill it, that's a murder. Abortion isn't, the baby isn't even born!

 

It's unfair that if the man wants the child the woman can abort it, no questions asked.

The really unfair thing is that she does have that power, but that she also has the power that if she wants it and the man doesn't, she can have the child and force the man into 18 years of child support payments.

Kind of like having your cake and eating it too.

 

So you would rather have the man be able to force a woman to have a child or be able to force her to have an abortion?

 

no matter what form of contraception you use, if you have sex there is a chance that you will get pregnant.

thus, logically, if you are having sex with someone you should have discussed this possibility with them and be in agreement about the course of action you will take if you do get pregnant.

if you are in a casual relationship or have a one night stand, then you just have to deal with the consequences. if you're the guy and you disagree with the woman's choice about keeping or terminating the pregnancy, too bad. next time don't have sex with a stranger. if you're the woman and you have to deal with an unexpected pregnancy and the responsibilities that go along with either keeping or terminating, sorry. next time don't have sex with a stranger.

if you were raped, that really fucking sucks.

sex= babies. there's no way around that. people deal with it in a lot of different ways: abstinence, contraception, abortion. but ultimately sex= babies. when you have sex you should be well aware of the potential consequences, especially if it's with someone you don't have an understanding with regarding children/family/abortion.

boys: you don't have the physiology to bear children, so you get less rights when it comes to children. that sucks.

girls: you do have the physiology to bear children, so you have more responsibilities when it comes to children. that sucks.

life isn't fair. get over it.

interesting topic though.

 

Wow fickle... you make so much sense! It really is unfair either way and the only way to make it fair is if men could carry babies just like women. But that's not how our biology works...

If the man and woman disagree about what to do with a pregnancy, there's really not to many options and ultimately it just makes sense for it to be the woman's choice as opposed to the man's choice. Sure I think women should discuss it with the man, but it makes no sense to have the man be able to choose what the woman does with her body. It's just a bad situation to be in for both people.

 

I'm not saying that one way or the other, that it is the man's choice as to what happens. That's not what I said at all.

 

Well, you said that it was unfair so I was just wondering what you would consider to be fair in this situation. That's all I was asking.

 

Kind of off-topic, but nevertheless, there is nothing you can do but go after her. Even if you fail, at least you won't keep wondering what could have happened. The worst that can happen is she says no -- the best is that she says yes. She may not see you as nearly so much of a loser as you do.

 

What is fair is that neither the man or the woman can unilaterally decide what to do with the baby.

If they both want to keep it, then keep it. If they both want to terminate it, terminate it. If one wants to keep it and one wants to terminate it, then the baby should be brought to term and the one that wants it keeps it and the other hands over all responsibilities as well as parental rights to the other person.

 

That's unfair to the woman though... she's the one that actually has to go through the pregnancy and birth. Men are incapable of truly understanding what that is like. It's easy for them to say just bring the baby to term, they don't really have to do anything.

Also, it always presents physical danger to the woman to give birth. A danger that they man is not going to face... Women do die in childbirth sometimes you know.

So your solution is unfair as well, just a different kind.

 

I can see your point as to how that's unfair. And maybe they are both unfair. But what is the "most fair"?

If there is a danger to the mother's life because of the pregnancy then I believe that is grounds to terminate the baby. But really, how many women die in childbirth? I don't know the numbers, but I think we both can agree that the number is pretty low and that's it is just a freak accident when that kind of thing happens.