Catholic Church is a force for good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNODiU_-CNo&feature=related

Great five part debate involving the argument for and against the statement. Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry argue against it, so you know it's going to be entertaining. They take a poll at the end from the audience to see what people think.

I really enjoyed watching this, except I'm reminded that every time I do watch one of these religiously charged debates, the argument for religion is always so paper thin. They never offer any answers to questions or any real justification, always just vague notions of morality that it supposedly represents. Which I find disappointing because I love watching a good, actual debate.

There's a great question an audience member asks near the end, along the lines of "you try to excuse the church by saying its past wrongs are judged relative to current times, but either the morals in your scriptures are eternal, or they're not". Obviously leading to the notion that the church doesn't know any better or hold a secret truth that non-believers lack, in which case why do we need them?

 

it can be. any belief that is around long enough, tends to end up having been both.
the example cited is no exception.