Bible Questions?

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I think you should ask Jesus about that. He's the one who said it. ;)
     
  2. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    does the bible tolerate the rape of women are females encouraged to be second class citizens?

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
     
  3. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    If the 2Nd Commandment is "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" why do Christians wear crosses, Have statues and make films with Jesus' graven image on them?
     
  4. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Again, the bible has no sentient capacities.
    This represents not divine remedy but a civil judicial statute.
     
  5. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    They do not know what they are doing. Ritual observance is an essentially thoughtless exercise amounting to no more than "repeat after me".
     
  6. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    thats where i read it.......
     
  7. honeyfugle

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    ^ Quoting my previous response...

    Why should Mary not have have normal marital relations with her husband? Why did she have to have remained a virgin her whole life?
    And if the poor Greek theory is true, then Matthew, Luke, Mark and Paul all had pretty bad Greek if they all made exactly the same errors!
     
  8. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Perhaps they are going against God's commandment by wearing those crosses.

    Maybe they shouldn't.

    If you mean more than just the image on the box, showcasing the event on film would be used to illustrate the story, but using those symbols in worship can lead to something that God doesn't want.
     
  9. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    much better...
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Since Jesus died on an upright stake and not a cross I have no idea why anyone who says they are Christian, would wear the mystic tau.
     
  11. honeyfugle

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    Because they don't realise what they are doing. I would never wear or bow down to anything that had the face of Jesus, or anyone else for that matter, on it. It clearly breaks the second commandment not to create or bow down to an idol. We covered this in the Catholicism thread, and I have a big problem with Churches that routinely do this in spite of what the law tells us. Anything made with the image of an Earthly or Heavenly being, like a statue or jewellery or whatever, is nothing more than an idol and a direct break of the second commandment. End of story.
     
  12. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Why is it often been taught that Jesus was crusified on a cross and not an upright stake?
     
  13. honeyfugle

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    Regardless of whether he was crucified on a stake or a cross, remember people teach what is popular belief. For example, Vikings never wore horned helmets but popular belief is that they did. Once people get something in their heads and it becomes popularly believed, it keeps getting taught.
     
  14. Rudenoodle

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    So the cross has no real significance in Christianity?
     
  15. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    I think theirs not any symbols that are significance in the bible....


    Like I notice theirs a lot of things with seven and three that are symbolic.....I dont know it that counts.
     
  16. honeyfugle

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    I think it perhaps has been given more significance by way of popularity than anything. Early Christians would have used the fish to symbolise Christianity for example. Ideally I don't see what's really wrong with using the cross as a symbol, so long as there is no idol on it, it's centuries old and the best known symbol for Christianity, as well as being a dynamic symbol in itself, so I have no problems with it.
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    In classical Greek the word (stau·ros′) rendered “torture stake” in the NWT primarily denotes an upright stake, or pole, and there is no evidence that the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures used it to designate a stake with a crossbeam.

    So I don't know they say it was a cross.
     
  18. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    She didn't have to remain a virgin, but she did. It was foretold by the prophet. You seem to get stuck upon what people should do. Jesus should have been married based on contemporary Jewish custom. Jesus shouldn't have associated with the people that he did. But he did (or did not) regardless of custom. Joseph was essential to care for both Mary and Jesus. A single unmarried woman had little to no rights. Joseph was able to protect and provide for them. Jesus also committed her care upon his death to his disciple, in order to care for her.

    I do not think I would argue that they all had bad Greek. Luke most certainly had very polished Greek. Ditto for John. My point was that there are other explanations for not using the specific word for cousin. I could call my countrymen "brothers", Jesus calls his spiritual brothers "brothers". Hebrew and Aramaic have no word for cousin.
     
  19. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    verses
     
  20. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    The prohibition isn't of the making of images, but the worship of the images themselves.

    God commanded the Hebrews to make the Ark of the Covenant with golden seraphim on it. Christians had no problem making images of fish as a symbol for Christ. God did not want the Hebrews to make an image and say "this image is the god, worship it"

    I contend that Jesus did die on a cross as well, and also that the crucifix is far more important than a simple bare cross. St Paul says to preach "Christ crucified". The NT does not state whether it was a stake or a crossed stake. Saturos and xylon do not necessarily mean stake. Also, archeological evidence points to a crossbeam being used. Also, other 1st century sources use xylon to indicate the cross itself, but also it could be the crossbeam.

    The cross may be unbearable, but in Christ we conquer even the most heinous deaths. We mustn't forget the price Christ paid for us. By his "stripes" we are healed. Paul says the cross is the sign of glory.
     
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