Bible Questions?

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  1. JusSumguy

    JusSumguy Member

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    Yep

    And another yep.


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  2. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    why did GOd have a problem with the towers of Babylon? was it because it was dedicated to other gods? or because God has a problem with us reaching the stars? through buildings?


    edit: grammar
     
  3. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't think God has problems and I would think that God would be the best authority on what God's motives are.
     
  4. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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  5. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Isn't this trying to earn your way to heaven?
     
  6. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Why does the bible support slavery?

    (Exod. 21:20-21)

    When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property.


    Matt. 10:24

    A disciple is not above the teacher, nor a slave above the master (Matt. 10:24)


    Matt. 24:45-46

    Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves their allowance of food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives.
     
  7. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    haven't you asked this already?
     
  8. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    I didn't ask why it supports slavery, I asked if it did originally.
     
  9. honeyfugle

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    [SIZE=-1]I am not sure about it to be honest, so I'm going to give my opinion rather than expect it to be a concrete reasoning.
    I[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n the era these passages were writte[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n, slavery was commo[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n-place a[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nd more or less seco[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nd [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nature. Although God would prefer us all to live free, he is[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n't i[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n direct co[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ntrol of world politics. That's huma[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n domai[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n. God is there to advise ma[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nki[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nd rather tha[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n directly co[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ntrol it like a theocracy. As it was such a domi[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]na[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nt part of life at the time it was written, he must have felt it best to simply give the ge[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]neratio[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ns of the time advice o[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n how to treat slaves [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]rather than reaching his hand into politics at the time and "manipulate" (for want of a better word) leaders like chess pieces to ban it. The [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]new Testame[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nt does tell slave masters to treat their slaves i[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n a just a[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nd equal way ([/SIZE]Colosians 4:1) for example.
    That is my opinion anyway.
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  10. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Does it even hint anywhere in the bible that slavery is immoral?
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Is it?
     
  12. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Not that I can recall, but slavery has a different connotation in the Bible than it does outside the Bible. Don't forget that there is a spiritual meaning to the word slave as well and there is another meaning which seems more like an opportunity for those in debt rather than the end all be all on what a slave can do, be, or accomplish... with the help of their masters...

    I mean, it's not like they had welfare back then. Where can they go to if they are starving? This way both families can benefit at least. And we are dealing with people with a different cultural mindset and whatnot, so that's also something to keep in mind.
     
  13. def zeppelin

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    The Orthodox Church believes that this verse is mentioning the virgin Mary

    I agree with them.

    If anyone has a different take on it, please fill us in because I'm not 100% sure.
     
  14. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Some would say that the employee and employer system that we have is a kind of slavery.
     
  15. honeyfugle

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    Probably not, but then again the Bible makes very few references to slavery to start with. Also what def zepplin mentioned about it being a different cultural mindset.
     
  16. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    Me too. That is the Catholic stance as well, hence the doctrine of Jesus as Mary's first, and only-born.
     
  17. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Wow.
     
  18. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    What about the buying and selling of humans?


    Are you suggesting that all mentioning of slavery in the bible is intended to be the employment of people?

    What is your definition of slave, does it involve free will?
     
  19. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't believe you understand what slavery is...
     
  20. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Is that part of the reason why the Catholic church believes that Jesus is God incarnate?
     
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