What are your thoughts on Chaos? To me its something simple but complex, its what you believe and don't believe.... I guess that makes it hard to put in words. Is this something you can really learn froma book? You have what you believe or don't believe. You draw from sources that work how you feel they should and work with them. Any Chaos Magicians out there to help clarify this with me?
That's the thing about Chaos Magick you can't pin it down to what you think it is. Because every thing you said there, it goes beyond, if it didn't then it would be limited and that would defeat the point. I will say you can't learn it from books, you can get an idea from books but the only way to learn it is to practice it. Blessings Sebbi
chaos is really just the ultimate form of order. all magick is chaos magick. imposing your will upon your surroundings.... read liber null and psychonaut liber kaos their both kinda dry and drag at times, but were good over all.
Plenty of good info can be found online... Also check out A. O. Spare... All of his writings can be found online as well...
Thats interesting... I feel like its something you already have within yourself. Like something passed on through DNA or somekind of reincarnation of who you have been before... If that makes any sense. I feel like I already have my own beliefs and no other seems to capture what I feel inside. Though what I feel inside isnt incredibly special as opposed to anyone elses feeling, it is my own. So which leads me to wonder is this Chaos theory? I feel flexible having creating altars for Hecate, Oxala, and Shiva. I feel more of what they symbolize rather than them as a physical being governing a cycle of life... Hmm anyway, its something to think about...
So is George W Bush a chaos magician? Because that seems to be what he's trying to do - ie impose his will on the surrounding world. And certainly, Iraq is closer to chaos now than before the invasion.
GWBush is a Christian. He is creating physical action through his power in office. on the other hand.. I guess to a chaos Magician he could be, depending on your belief right?
never thought of it that way. not really what i meant. if you read about chaos theory in the mathmatic and scientific worlds, it has a lot to do with the fact that there are infinate variables and patterns. all things are interconnected. the movement of one molecule or atom can effect a massive change in the world. i'm sure you've heard the idea that if a butterfly flaps it's wings in australia it can change the weather in the u.s. now apply this theory to what magicians try to do. by using their own internal energies projected outward, we try to effect a desired change on our world. hence why i say that all magick is chaos magick. mixing different forms of magick together or creating your own brand of magick isn't really what chaos magick is. that's merely a sign that you are growing and accepting that the magick you are doing is coming from within you, not just some outside force.
Hmm you mean like PHI Divine proportion? "the most beautiful number in the universe" to quote Dan Brown... I looked it up and PHI is the # 1.618 PHI is derived from the Fibonacci sequence. It turns out that PHI has a role as a natural building block of nature. Plants, animals, and even humans possess dimensional properties which adhere to the ratio of PHI to 1.
never heard of that, but yeah. if you're interested in chaos magick and egyptian stuff (only a guess, pharoah) check out al crowley and some of the stuff connected with his studies.
I read one of his books Diary of a Drug Fiend I believe it waS. I think he has some zodiac poetry too, though I don't have that book on hand. Any recs?
Check out 777 by Crowley. At least I think it was by Crowley http://www.chaosmagic.com/ is also pretty good. Blessings Sebbi
~* Intriguing post... Interested in PHI, I would recommend "The Golden Ratio: The Story of PHI by: Mario Livio." As for Chaos Magic/k, certainly start with the Principia Discordia here is a link which may interest you. http://p068.ezboard.com/fembracingmysteryfrm16.showMessage?topicID=31.topic Bright Blessings
I don't know that much about Chaos magick, so i'm not even going to pretend, but I'm very curious... does it have to do with the notion that perhaps a tiny minute change in the substance that we perceive as reality can totally create a ripple effect that can give rise to an undeterminable effect, like the butterfly flapping it's wings in Austrailia and changing the weather in the U.S? I used to wonder about that all the time when I was a kid, and then I started to develope my own way of understanding the world based on a similar notion. It seems as though it's almost a metaphysical concept, but my late friend who passed away not long ago imparted me with perhaps the greatest wisdom I've heard in my life right before he died. Jeffrey said that what it seems the Universe is in reality, is simply "will unfolding unto will." That is to say that if you will something, and someone else wills something as well, the two wills wrestle on a metaphysical plane that is manifested in the physical world that we can perceive... at least most of the time. It might take time, and although it seems as though the two wills are equal in strength, many times it becomes more of a question of when the combined wills shall compromise or defeat each other. Sometimes one will totally dominates the other one, but that is only because the will of the loser wasn't strong enough. It's something I've had to try to explain to myself mainly... this notion of the wills... and I'm not sure I've got it right, but the phrase "the reality of the Universe is will unfolding unto will" seems to be something that I can internalize, but unfortunately I can't articulate the idea all that well. Jeffrey also went on to say that there is nothing good in the Universe other than the good will; a Kantian notion that is found in Kant's Categorical Imperative. This is funny to me because Jeffrey was someone who could easily be pinned as just another stoner magician who followed Crowley and the Golden Dawn and came up with some crazy philosophical ideas... but this is a notion that Jeffrey came up with on his own. Jeffrey never read Kant, nor did he read much of anything other than tarot cards and porn mags. He was, however, a guy who I never heard put anyone down, never gloated or bragged, never judged another person for anything, never complained about anything unless you brough it up first, shared all that he owned even to the point that it hurt himself. In fact, Jeffrey died in a car accident while he was on his way to pick up a friend of his who needed a ride to work and lived half an hour away from Jeffrey's house. Jeffrey seriously gave me the jacket off his back once when I was cold and sick, and he had nothing but an undershirt on... I'm about 150 lbs and 5'9" pretty thin for my stature. Jeffrey was 5'9" and maybe 120 lbs at the most. This guy was beyond a true friend, and to be honest... he was the most Christ like person I have ever met or even heard of other than Christ himself. I still have a softspot for the story of Christ... whether or not it's all true or not. I don't think the real issue is in the truth of Christ's life, rather I think it's more or less about the story and the message... Jeffrey was a confirmed metaphysical practioner, as am I, but I think that if there is a Heaven up there... Jesus let Jeffrey in just 'cause the kid would crack him up! Jeffrey was the kindest person I ever met, a brother, a friend, and a person I would seriously follow to the ends of the earth. To quote Jay and Silent Bob... well maybe just Jay... he was my true "hetero-lifemate." The guy understood more about the world at the age of twenty than I think I might ever understand. We used to go to this group in Greenville where metaphysical workshops and classes were scheduled weekly, and all of the people there always told us (the youngest people there by 20 years) that we had old souls... sometimes even older than their own. We didn't know how to take that really, but then it made sense.... we each listened to old blues, drank straight whiskey, read books all day and try to understand the world with little to no regard for the current paradigms. We ate at bars and fancy restaurants, drove old men cars (Mercury Sable and a Buick LeSabre), and Jeffrey even dressed like an old man most of the time even before I knew him... I met the guy and he was wearing a bathrobe, leather loafers, pajama pants, and his old driving cap with his pipe and his crooked ass cane he carried with him ever since he was 10 when he made it at summer camp. I never did more than have a driving cap... something we both used to wear when we were kids, but we never met each other till college. We were outside for a fire alarm that went off when he was burning incense in his room for a ritual. It was hilarious to see his dorm room... the door had a multicolored pipecleaner pentagram and a sign saying: Office of Metaphysical Studies Jeffrey Conner Hours: 11:00am-11:00pm unless otherwise noted by appointment only. He seriously ran a legitimate practice out of there, and people all over campus came to have him read their cards from one of his 20 decks of tarot cards. He even had a black mirror and a real crystal ball made out of Quartz. Jeffrey told me of all kinds of things, and together we even predicted a lot of what would happen with international relations in the coming years. I don't expect anyone to believe that because we never wrote it down or anything, but people here on campus who listened to us will tell you we got hit the nail right on the head without ever knowing a thing. We even told our friend Ted not to go to Iraq when they call him, even though he was telling us there was no way in hell he would get called. Ted never told us until much later that in fact he would probably be one of the first people sent in there because he was in a mobile MP unit that would probably be dispatched in the first wave of troops after Shock and Awe.Ted was called about two weeks later by his commanding officer... whoever it was... and I was actually driving him with me to go meet an ex of mine who was here for some alumni celebration. Ted was devastated, and he told me that it was hard not to tell us about his dirty little secret after we told him about what we saw. It seems as though Jeffrey knew something about the world I never did, but when I was with him, it rubbed off on me. Either way... it seems like Chaos magick is something awesome, and I would love to learn more about it... seriously. It seems relevant to the world... at least as I see it. Peace Mac
also known as the book of the law. penned by crowley it is believed by many to have been related to him by forces outside of him. I.E. all he did was put it on paper. it is a good read, but confusing for some not familiar with crowley. i recommend "liber oz" and "duty" be read along with 777. all three can be found by typing "oto grand lodge" into any major search engine. they have several publications availableat the main website. i also recommend personally for "Pharoah" "the magick of Thelema" by Lon Milo Duquette. it's a much easier read then some of crowley's stuff. and excellent for beginners or the curious.
Thanks Squishy!~ I looked up the Magick of Thelema on Sacred texts since I'm broke in the money department, here is some good stuff. http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/ also looked up Chaos Magick too http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/chaos/
As far as Chaos Magic is cocerned, I would reccomend anything by Peter Carroll's works "Liber Null" and "Psychonaut", excellent resources for basics on Chaote theory.
