Why does everybody I talk to just tell me to accept it?

Whenever I try to talk about life with my friends or family or even random people.. They all term it as a deep and philosophical discussion. But, isn't this what we all think about on a daily basis? The questions of life like do we actually exist? Where are we going? Is there a point? I ask people if they ever get depressed over this situation and they tell me no, just accept it.. They tell me to focus on school they tell me to get this stupid thinking out of my head. Why are people so afraid to think and feel? Why do so many people stray away from the uncertainty instead of embrace it? The reason why I'm asking this is because I feel as if I'm living in a matrix and everybody else is just here to make sure I don't get out of it by telling me to just accept this situation as it is. Do you just accept it? Does it ever make you depressed? Do you feel like nobody understands you? I'm sorry if I'm ranting, I just feel alone.

Another thing.. no one has ever come up to me to ask me for my perspective on the meaning of life.. I've always asked people. Why is this? This leads me to believe that people don't care.

Maybe because I'm 19 and my peers care more about alcohol and weed.. and not many have had my trip on LSD.. where I literally disassociated myself with my body.

 

Ever consider that some are not alive inside? But are put intelligent like a dull computerization working the human body? Just a thought to why some are not so live like. No one knows if each other is alive inner or not. What a higher power has in place of people's inner spot is different I at least think.

 

"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
Matthew 6:34

 

Many really don't think all too much about it and only focus on their goals for the day; they simply don't have the time for it and many don't feel it's necessary so they don't delve into it.

Personally, I feel that if anyone wants any real kind of growth, they will have to think on these things and create tension within themselves and then find a way to resolve that tension then recreate that tension over again.

In order to be truly happy, a person has to recognize and accept reality for what it is and accept the flaws that each of us has then try to lessen the flaws and improve on the strengths, but first it has to be understood which is which. Many people don't want to look into it because it can be difficult so turning to ways to regress this progress will become appealing (Alcohol, etc).

 

Age old questions=the answers are within you and what you determine to be truth.---------and get with a more receptive crowd.

 

Yes, I have considered that and that's why I'm freaking out. How do you get yourself to stay happy when thinking about people and how they might be a part of a Matrix that you're not, and you're all alone. No one can relate to me philosophically, I feel as if you can. I hope you are real. How do I get myself out of this crisis?

 

my take is that this is just one of those things that you have to accept

 

Just some maybe advice against the crisis...

Maybe present one of those you just be you sayings as an introduction to people. See if they are also cool with that line of thinking first. And then tell people somehow the type of person you are. Philosphical and etc. Maybe try to start off with getting them to entertain the idea in what it is philosophical you're saying to them. Or, keep entertained with entertainment, and stay chill about them. I mean all those people that may be for some other purpose how they are natured inner.

Also I'm sure you know message boards are another way to release whatever it is you want to discuss. You'll find the one and only Tormentations on here and on armageddononline .org. Another kind of cool message board site. When one site doesnt give me feed back on a topic I post it on another site. Or I just might post it on more than one site reguardless. Aint like the internet cops are going to stop me from being me. Some other site I was posting on, but they are whack. Yeah, some are cool, some are dull as those people you mentioned.

 

Ravkes,

In my experience, the most difficult things to realize are that the people you expect to have an answer about all of this simply do not understand the question, or, the answer is right in front of you, but it is something other than what you are expecting or are ready to immediately recognize.

Take your time, keep asking, and learn to love the question, and allow yourself to know the answer as what it most truly is.

 

I think there are at least two reasons why many people do not think of such things. One is that some people do not have the mental capacity to entertain such thoughts. The other is that sometimes thinking about the important things like "why something instead of nothing," or "does life have a purpose" can blow your mind. I started thinking about such things years before I tried acid for the first time, but after I took acid I became much more focused on these issues. After many years I personally arrived at the conclusion that I can't know the truth about some things, and so I just accept it and keep living. To me that is the purpose, to live and experience and to create meaning from this meaningless world. As for whether or not you are the only one who is alive and conscious and everyone else merely seems as though they are: I can't help you there, other than to say it seems reasonable to believe that other people are real people and have feelings and thoughts like me.

 

Thanks man.. I just wanted to know if anybody ever felt depressed because they couldn't figure out what life is?

 

You're the sole arbiter of truth and meaning within your reality and your actions alone give essence to your life. Perhaps your mistake is trying to talk to other people about these questions when these questions are personal questions best answered by yourself. Your meaning and purpose is going to be different from those of anyone else. Perhaps your friends and family are content with mindlessly adopting and pursuing cultural and evolutionary values and you are going to consider things more fully and analytically. If this is the case you can't expect them to be traveling companions on the road to transcendence. They don't know the way.

 

All I want to know is.. has ANYBODY ever felt depressed because they can't figure out what life is? I need to know this please, I feel alone. Everybody who is depressed is because of stuff that's made up within society. Am I the only person who is depressed because he can't figure out what life means?

 

Ravkes,

You are not alone.

You already know more than you think, and you can certainly can find answers, but you have to look beyond your expectations, beyond what you want or fear the answers to be. You have to be open to knowing the answers on their own terms

Above all, learn to love the question, but don't let it separate you from your humanity. Learn to appreciate, and live with, the ambiguity of a question that has not yet found the truth it invites. It doesn't mean an answer doesn't exist, but it's worth waiting for a more complete truth. It would be a fundamental mistake to allow a provisional answer to blind you to the whole truth.

So . . . what is the question?

 

I have found myself deeply concerned over the state of my fellows and found myself depressed over my inability to be determinant of myself. In those moments I have come to realize that I was expecting myself to provide answers for things I did not know the answer to. I learn to remind myself to stop speculating and await the unfolding of the life demonstration that will answer my question.
Reality has a clarion ring to it if we but learn to listen.
Don't stop questioning but resist the urge to speak an answer, listen for it.

 

this is from the book Seven Life Lessons of Chaos

"For the human animal, creativity is about getting beyond what
we know, getting to the “truth” of things. That’s where chaos
comes in.
We’re all necessarily conditioned by society. Our conditioning
lays out, with apparent certainty, a seemingly complete picture
or map of what reality is and how we’re supposed to act in it.
We’re trained to accept and move about in this reality from the
moment we emerge from the womb.
Our habits of thought, opinions, and experiences, even the
“facts” of the world, are similar to negative feedback loops that
go ’round and ’round to keep us in essentially the same familiar
place. Such loops of limiting, negative feedback are obviously
needed to keep society stable, but they can also be horribly confining
if we come to believe that that’s all there is to our lives.
The danger we all share is of becoming like Pavlov’s dogs—our
glands reacting every time the bell rings. And society is full of
bells.
Often enough, habits of mind, the supposed certainties of our
“knowledge” about the world, produce distortions and deceptions
about reality. More important, the opinions and facts that constitute
our conditioning may end up obscuring a deeper authenticity
and “truth” about our individual experience of being in the world.
What do we mean by “truth”? In a culture of postmodern relativism,
the word “truth” has become overloaded with unfortunate
associations. It’s difficult to use in any authentic way. Many
people today understandably avoid it, because those in the past
who have claimed to possess truth tended to impose it on others,
often by violent means. With all the diversity of our modern
world, how are we to choose between the truths offered by various
religions
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and cultures? But truth, in the way we mean it here, can’t be
possessed and imposed on others.
One of the early meanings associated with the idea of the “true”
came in the context of the craftsperson who makes a thing straight
and balanced. Similarly, a person’s life can be “true” in the sense
of moving in a straight way, being undistorted, and responding
authentically to the present. Here the word “truth” does not mean
something absolute (this truth is the truth) or relative (you have
your truth and I have mine). Truth is, instead, something lived
in the moment and expressive of an individual’s connection to
the whole.
The Indian philosopher J. Krishnamurti described truth this
way: “Truth is not a fixed point; it is not static; it cannot be
measured by words; it is not a concept, an idea to be achieved.”1
There is no path to truth, he asserted. Truth cannot be arrived at
through technique or discipline or logic. It is not something that
we agree or disagree about. Truth is what holds us all together,
yet each must find it individually out of the terms and conditions
of her and his own unique life.
Novelist Joseph Conrad wrote of truth as “the latent feeling of
fellowship with all creation…the subtle but invincible conviction
of solidarity that knits together the loneliness of innumerable
hearts.”2 Conrad believed truth can be found in every place in
every moment—in small things as well as in grand things.3 But
we’re so caught up with looking at the world through our conditioned
ideas, opinions, and emotions about its truth that we often
don’t see right in front of us the sort of truth to which Conrad is
referring.
Grasping the truth of the moment was central to the French
painter Paul Cézanne. He strove to record on canvas the exact
sensations arising in him as he sat in front of his subject. His aim
was not to paint his “idea” or conditioned opinion of a landscape
or table of fruit, but the exact truth of his moment-by-moment
perceptions as they connected him to the life in front of him. He
would make small movements of his head as he painted, each
new
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glance acting to shift the entire scene and calling into question
what he had previously seen and painted.4 His paintings are
therefore a series of bifurcation points of vision, constituting what
has been called “Cézanne’s doubt.”5 Cézanne believed that in the
fluctuation of these “little sensations,” as he called them, lay the
truth of his perception.6 He encourages us to come into contact
with the movement of truth that lies in constantly questioning
what we see and think about the world.
Truth and chaos are linked. To live with creative doubt means
to enter into chaos so as to discover there the truth that “cannot
be measured by words.” "

 

One more thing is that although meaning comes from us, its not something arbitrarily arrived at on a whim. Meaning can be found by spending time in extrospection observing reality, making sense of the nature of it and then spending time in introspection formulating your values based on what you have discovered. Upon returning to reality your goals will be clear and attainable.

 

Don't ever stop thinking man. That is our gift. Thinking is the only thing which keeps us aliving, adapting. Imagine a caveman in a rainforest. He could only pay attention to the foods he eats, or he could take time to examine the thousands of other lifeforms in the forest. You get the picture.

 

well life doesn't have to be any deep big deal.
as long as we avoid hurting each other and clean up our messes.

beyond that there is much to be learned from the example of everything else living.
look beyond the melodrama of the soap opera of human society and you can see how it has made itself increadibly silly by the collective ego of our species trying to be the center of the universe.

i like to thing we've got invisible friends too.
but the main thing is still just to not hurt each other
and clean up our mess.
love is good too.

i think that's why the unknown wants us to focus toward it and have love for it.
and NOT to use it as an excuse to dispute with and hurt each other.

 

It's a hard saying, but you're probably right; a lot of people, even the vast majority simply don't care. They don't value your opinions, insights, views because they don't value their own. This is especially true of a lot of christian types.
Also most people are completely 'on the conveyor belt'. I mean they are just immersed in contemporary culture in a way that is almost entirely non-critical and mechanical.

Those who are seeking serious answers are fewer and farther between but they do exist. There have always been philosophers, shamans, scientists, artists - different types - who seek something deeper from existence.

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It's easy I guess in a situation like that to get to feel alienated.
Maybe though, it's better to go for 'voluntary alienation', given the state of play these days. That way, you're not a 'victim', but someone who is making their own choices and daring to think out of the box.

For many years, I have known that I am an 'outsider' as regards the 'great society'. One of the great lessons psychedelics teach us is, in my opinion, as Tim Leary said, that we have the potential to programme our own minds and create our own reality. To do this, we have to be ready to move beyond the mind-set of rigid, solid state, hive-bound attitudes.

One problem that is commonplace for those who wish to expand their consciousness or undertake personal growth by these means, is the difficulty of networking. I mean getting in contact with like minded people. Probably, that might be a good thing for you - because then you'd know you're not alone. Trouble is that the drug culture in general is quite negative and shallow - but take heart! There are others who want to use these things in a constructive way.