new hippie movement?

yeah i dig

 

Well then.. stop answering?
As long as you answer me, I'm going to answer you.
If you can't handle arguing (with me) - don't argue.
But don't tell me not to respond to your retorts.

How aren't I chill?
And how is anything we've been discussing not related to the new hippie movement?

 

Exactly, were arguing. We're not having a conversation. I'm not down to answer your questions when their questioning me non-stop. And you didn't even ask me a question, you said what I said didn't make sense. I replied back to you because I was more irked then anything. The convo was over anyway, honestly. You lurked back to this thread and read what I had written to someone else. That had nothing to do with you. There was no current debate. You just seem like you have something to prove because you refuse to let our "debate" about nothing die. Even after that long reply where I tried to really show you my thoughts you basically said that what I said about fashion was un-hippie and made no sense. I tried to prove to you that the ideals are of major importance to me. You did not get this because you again pulled the "un-hippy" card. So I'll say again, i'm tired of repeating myself to you. Your not listening if your still questioning me about the/my ideals.

 

I didn't say anything about a question =S

 

and after all I wrote there all you send back is "I never said anything about a question =S". And YOUR the one who keeps wanting this "debate". Get a life dude. What, do you need to have the last word or something? I'm seriously done with you now. And I will tell you to leave my 'retorts' alone. I don't post thing's for your likeing, or to answer your questions/"retorts". It's extremely annoying. There's thousands of other threads to post on yet you continue to bother me, when i've said several time's i'm irritated by you and your 'demeanor'. You have nothing to say, yet continue to act like you do. If you must have the last word then by all means have it brother! Peace my friend.

 

What the fuck?
You're telling me that I didn't send back enough, then you're telling me that I shouldn't have even replied.

Conversation works like this. One person says something. Person two thinks of something to respond to it. Person one thinks of something to respond to that. This goes on until one of them stops.
You're trying to say I just want the last word - but you keep responding - does that make any sense?

What the hell kinda response did that little rant of yours merit?

It was full of a ton of bullshit about how I didn't argue properly with you.

You once again claimed I attacked your hippieness (also bullshit)

And you interpreted me pointing out an apparent contradiction in one of your other posts as a blatant and unprovoked attack on you. Dude, I was actually looking for your thoughts on that - I was thinking there was probably some explanation I was missing. Instead you started bitching that I'm cheating.

Then this piece of bullshit, saying I never made this response.
And then this bullshit about just wanting the last word...
First, you basically tell me to leave while we're in the middle of a debate - not going to happen bro.
Now, you imply that if I don't leave, I'm just trying to get the last word - after attacking my character - yeah fucking right.
You keep trying to get me to leave when you're on the offensive. Dude, that's not going to happen - I'm going to defend my points - and more recently; my
self.

Now, maybe we can shake and say bye. I feel I've defended myself. You seem easily offended/bothered, so you might see reason to respond - but I saw this as a completely defensive post.
If you do respond - you better realize now that I'm not going to let an attack on my points or me go unanswered. I've had plenty arguments on here end with things like "yeah, I guess you can never tell"; maybe a few "okay, you know way more about this than me"s or "oh, I guess I get what you're saying now"; but other than that sort - I always have a counter argument.

 

Wow I really didn't read a 1/4 of this. Ok get this clear I DO NOT want you to reply to me. Carry on with this thread with someone else if you want to talk about this subject. I'm not the only one who can talk to you about this. I said you didn't even reply anything to try to explain why im getting so pissed off. I reply back to try to be nice and "part" in a nice way. I'm biting my toungue, and biting my toungue when I shouldn't be. If someone tells you to leave them alone, it's common courtesy you have the respect to do so. You say you wanna argue when all you send back is "I never said anything about a reply =S". Tell me, if you know I already I don't wanna talk do you think i'd wanna talk any more after I waste my time sending a good lengthed reply and that's all you can send back? Then you private message me saying why can't I argue like a man? I've done more then my part to keep quiet, and remain decent with you. I keep going back on my own word to reply back to you. I just wanna be left alone from you man, at least on this thread. Is that really too much to ask? Just leave me allooooneeee.
Thanks

 

Then stop arguing!!

I did reply - and attacking me (or my points) does not seem a nice way to part - except maybe for you.

If you were - I wouldn't have any reason to reply.

When you make an argument, it's common courtesy to be accepting of a counterargument.

nice.

100% untrue.

Then stop arguing with me!!

 

i desperately hope that there is a new movement, and i hope people will open their eyes and see how things should be.

 

The original hippies did accomplish a few things, depending on how you define the original hippies. If you're talking about the short-lived Hight-Ashbury scene, then maybe not much more than bringing a new ideology to light.

However, if you look at a longer time frame, say from '65 to '72, they inspired anti-war demonstrations that illustrated just how many people opposed the war in Vietnam. They added to the ranks of the civil rights movement. You can't really say that they started it, or were even the most influential facet of it, but they did bolster it.

Possibly the biggest thing they did was to tear down a lot of the social mores of the times. They offered America, and perhaps the rest of the world, a glimps into a much less repressive way of living.

Did they spawn a lot of yuppies? Well, probably. Not everyone who was at Woodstock was a hippie. Lot's of 'em were just college kids on their way to Wall Street, anyway. The old hippies mostly ended up in communes, eco-developments, and farms. They're still trying to live in harmony with the earth. Their kids may have become yuppies, though. It seems like every generation rebels in one way or another. The kid who's parents were business tycoons ran away to live in a commune. The kid who's parents were in a commune ran away to become a lawyer.

Some of us went back into the world and tried to produce change by being the change. We got jobs, raised families, taught our kids to respect the world and others, and encouraged them to question everything.

Duck is somewhat right when he says that you can't really change things by setting yourself apart from them. You generally can't change things in a peaceful way. Most revolutionaries set themselves apart from the government and then there is a big fight to see who is going to win. However, the original hippies did set themselves apart with a minimum of fighting (other than some riots) and they did raise public awareness about a lot of issues that were wrong. Many people who were not necessarily hippies could see the "rightness" of what the hippies were saying. Those people adopted some or all of the ideology and it began to spread throughout.

Yes, many of the things that came about would have come about with or without the hippies, but it would be incorrect to say that the hippies didn't accomplish anything. They got the ball rolling a lot faster than it would have without their input.

It should be noted, however, that the hippies didn't really intend to change the world. They just wanted to change themselves. That's really the best any of us can hope for.

As far as having a new movement goes, I just don't see enough people being that dissatisfied with things. In the 60's, there were a lot of things happening that were just not tolerable for a vast number of people. There also has to be some catalyst to get the ball rolling and some leaders to give it direction. As I've said before in other topics, reinstating the draft would be one way.

 

This is a very well thought out and interesting post. I don't have the time to read it now; I only skimmed it - but I wanted to make sure to remind myself to get to it later =P

 

hippies are no match against an Acoustic cannon..

 

or soap..

..

 

Or have time for people with 25,000 damn posts. What are you you supposed to be some type of heckler?

 

hahahaha.

 

... :cheers2:

 

Clever Mr.HF personality.

 

I was taught by hippies, in the 70's and 80's, how to think for myself. There was no dress code or secret handshake. I learned about community. Taking care of your brother. Taking care of your environment. I learned the true value of freedom. Freedoms not free. Living free is hard work. Takes planning and determination.
I think the hippies were teachers. Very few could handle the sacrifice and demands to live free and spread the message to others w/out monetary compensation.
The true hippies are still out there. Their not easy to spot. Many our at farm markets, music stores, teaching.

 

If you knew what a hippie was you'd know this already.

Furthermore, there is no 'New' hippie movement only a continuation of the original one. The only requirement is to pick up the fire stick and carry on.

 

DUDE! I was just talking to my retired english teacher about this. I honestly feel a HUGE revelation about to come. And I can't wait!