Why the Iraq war was morally right

Dude man, I was not supporting war. I was argueing against it. I'm sorry that you misunderstood what I was saying. I am totally against this war.

 

It's cool bro,thanx for the pm.My apologies as well.

 

Big Bandit- when do you ship out?! Hopefully soon eh? You seem to have a lot of spunk they could really use over there. Go get those bad guys, trooper!

 

I can and do. Not the least bit in error either.

That movie is for entertainment purposes only. I was able to swing a number of voters to Kerry by giving them copies of F9/11, but these people were uninformed. Do you think I rely on F9/11 to form my opinions? Please. The film was pitifully weak in its charges against Bush.
He is responsible for the attacks of Sept. 11. Him and his crew, all criminals. It goes much further than "ignoring intelligence". This attack was carefully planned years ago. A number of people are in on it.

He is not the least bit incompetent. Nor is he unintelligent. That is a common belief, true, but it is not the case IMO. He is fully aware of the evil he perpetrates. His "dunce" image is just as manufactured as his "cowboy" image. Neither are the slightest bit accurate. Anyone with any perception at all can see through the caricature and know it is all a farce, a sham.
I am always surprised at how many people believe as you do. I may start a thread on that topic alone, I'd be interested to see how many people share your thoughts.

 

Here is an idea. All you anti American's and other American haters from other countries, why don't you guys go to Iraq and inlist with the insurgents? Pick up a weapon and help them fight? Oh thats right, I forgot, everyone here is all talk. Not to mention the fact that these insurgents would kill you in a heart beat. Why don't any of you recognize that these insurgents are killing civilians as well? Why don't any of you recognize that these people would just as quickly kill an American Christian family as they would a soldier in Iraq? I personaly don't give a rats ass about oil. I don't care if the moronic US government put Sadam in power(by the way, got any proof on this I can read?). Here is what I do care about. The people in Iraq that were being mistreated and ruled by a tyrant. The thousands of people slaughtered by Sadam. I look at it like this. If I saw someone drowning, I would jump in and do all I could to save them. I wouldn't care if they were not in my family. I wouldn't care if they wanted to die. I would do all I could to rescue them. Put aside all your bullshit excuses and see the good things coming out of this war. I can't stand the "It's all about me" attitude I see here.

 

But it was no lie that Saddam was a mass murdering, mass persecuting, mass torturing, mass squandering oil for food money on Palaces for himself tyrant! Thats what I meant, we overthrew one of the worst tyrants in the world and saved millions of Iraqis from having to live under such a cruel, barbaric regime. So surely the war was a good thing as it got rid of such an evil regime. I am sure if there were TV interviews done with victims of Saddams torture, poison gas attacks and relatives of those murdered in mass graves of whom 300,000 were discovered most people would think that the war was worth it. So surely the anti-war movement was wrong in opposing this war as to have not gone to war would have meant leaving Saddam Hussein in power to go on killing and torturing his people.

Also I wouldn't say we were led to war on lies. It was well known that Saddam Hussein for decades had tried to get his hands on nuclear weapons, had used chemical and biological weapons in the past. It was also well known that both Al Qaeda and Saddam shared a strong hatred of Israel and America and so would be possible allies. So I wouldn't call it lies but innacurate secret intellegence reports. Secret intellegence reports are never 100 per cent accurate anyway, they are like weather reports they point to a conclusion. An educated guess has to be made from them in the end.

Oh bandit please don't write of all left wingers and anti-imperialists. Many prominent left wingers were infavour of war to oust Saddam. Including the Kurdish communists. Read this lovely little article by British left winger Christopher Hitchens.

 

Absolutely right! I am sick of some people apologizing for these guys' actions. There is no excuse for it, as I've tried to say on other threads. They are not heroic freedom fighters. They are terrorists trying to gain power.

 

No, we aren't all talk....we are against the war. Why would we jump to fight in a war we are against? It is largely different than someone drowning. I couldn't, in good conscience, fight in war I was against.

Where do you get that our attitude is "its all about me"? Because we want to see civilians stop being killed? Because we want to see our soldiers stop having to die for no reason? Because we don't support a war that we never supported in the first place? Because we are concerned about how our country is affecting, and going to affet the world? Because we want to see our government start being more honest and diplomatic?

And the insurgents were under control in Iraq before we invaded Iraq and weakened the country. Our invasion supplied them with plenty of firepower, anger, and means to pick up the fight in Iraq. We weakened the country with our invasion, it is our fault they are there fighting in the first place.

If we cared so much about the people in Iraq we woundn't have let Saddam slaughter them during their rebellion in the early 90's when they actually wanted and needed our help? We never cared about those people, and we don't today. That is just a bone the administration is feeding people like you to keep you guys happy with their actions.

 

greed and war are not Christian. George W. Bush is not a true Christian

 

Let's look at it logically. The insurgents are vicious terrorists.
And the US troops are paid mercenaries.

 

Wait, you're telling me that George Bush is not a true christian? My god! All my beliefs go flying out the window then! You mean he is not serving our country for the greater good of the American people? My god! This is shocking! You mean George Bush is just using the Christian faith as a way to win followers? My god! How absurd!

 

I know man! Hey why don't you smite him or something, eh God? We could really use your help down here with that

 

Yeah and if you ask the families of those hundreds of thousands killed or wounded in this invasion they will say it wasn't.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago. It is not a moral war of humanitarian intervention when you cause more suffering than would have been caused without that intervention.

 

Or we could refer him to all the answers we gave him weeks ago before he was hounded out of the UK forum for being a troll.

He just won't give up will he?

 

Good points but didn't World War II cause massive suffering also? Far more suffering than had we appeased Hitler and let him keep Poland? So was World War II also wrong, or were we right that time to stand up to a brutal dictator and drive him and his regime out of existance?

 

We didn't start WWII. We were actually defending ourselves against an attack. You can't compare these two war's like that.

And before you say we were attacked...the 9/11 commission has already told us that there were no links to al-quida or bin-laden and Iraq.

 

I know Saddam is a bad person..no doubt..But, with that said, there are tons of evil dictators all over the world..so tell me why did we go after saddam? Is it right to start a war over there, and kill so many innocent people? We are viewed by Iraqi's as "occupiers"..I have seen lots of pictures of dead children, men, women who have been blown up, and all they did wrong was live in Iraq..It saddens me because altho they would still be under the Power of Saddam, they would probably still be alive..He didn't have any weapons of mass destruction, which was what they told us was the reason behind going to war over there..Personally I don't believe that was the real reason, I Have my own theories as to why that happened, but we are there to "rebuild"..also, why don't you watch "Last Letters From Home" it's a documentary about the last letters family members received from our brave soldiers that fought in the Iraq war..I cried all the way through it. One mother was expecting to hear from her son on her birthday..and do you know what she got for her birthday present?! A person and a chaplain from the army knocking on her door to tell her the horrible news that her son died..also, an 18 year old girl was killed while serving her country..can you imagine? A father with a wife, a son, and another on the way..went to fight because it was a job..to support his family and he was killed..While watching this movie I kept thinking how Bush feels..or what he thinks..what goes through his mind knowing, it was his decision that we went to war..and his "Weapons of Mass Destruction" is the reason all of these brave men and women have died..It doesn't really hit home just to hear a soldier died, yes it's bad but it's not as bad as watching these families pain and seeing a picture and a name of someone that is one of the "unlucky" ones who died..I hope and pray that our soldiers come home soon..

 

It was a direct result of WW2 that the UN Charter was written, "to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind". What is this if not a recognition that there is no such thing as a moral war? That all war is a "scourge"? It was because of the suffering caused by all sides in that war - for none were without what we would now call war crimes - that the use of aggressive force by one nation state against another was expressly outlawed. The Nuremberg judges declared that invading another country - the principal act of beginning a war - is the primary war crime because it is the one from which all other atrocities associated with war flow.

There is indeed a moral case to be made for forceful humanitarian intervention in cases where genocide is ongoing or imminent, to prevent suffering. Now that the other justifications for the Iraq war (WMDs, imminent threat, al-Qaeda terrorism) have all fallen away and been proven to be false, the only thing left is the case for war on humanitarian, "moral" grounds. But this too has been shown to be a lie. Anyone who says that the Iraq war is moral or just in these terms is as best deceiving themselves with doublethink or at worst lying.

 

We did we declared war on Germany after invading Poland. Just like we declared war on Iraq after Iraq invade Kuwiat so the is a direct parrallel between Nazi Germany and Iraq.

But Iraq was known to have supportted Palestinian terrorists, Yasser Arafat even went to visit Saddam Hussein in 1988. So it was obvious Saddam might support Al Qaeda. Infact a book was written about such a link, see below;

 

Okay, Inagodadavita. So you believe that we did not rush into war? That the American media did not push forth a campaign of fear and irrationality? Perhaps it would not have been a 'rush', had there been actual objective debate about the subject of war. But no, the only real issues we heard was 'When', 'How', and 'Why'. I do not remember seeing one person on the American media television channels who truly put forth a LOGICAL anti-war rational. And perhaps it is because the American media DID NOT WANT any logic, or rational. We had to be whipped into fear.

Sorry Inagodadavita, I feel that you are very mistaken in your understanding.