Christians, how would you explain this?

I don't think you do get it, JMT. First, I was not speaking to Honey, I was responding to anyone and everyone who reacts out of anything but LOVE in being judgemental regarding Mr. Anderson's actions. According to that passage in Romans, to pass judgement on anyone is to condemn oneself to the same fate as the one being judged. The next verse states that only GOD has that right to judge someone, and the next states that anyone else because of their judgments will share the same fate as the one they judge.

This message was for those who SAY they practice the teachings of Jesus and yet DO NOT. Jesus' teaching was one of LOVE and COMPASSION for all ... for those that hate you ... for those that do you wrong ... for those who persecute you ... for those who curse you ... for those who use you ...

To comdemn these people who do these things, is to condemn one's self as if they also are guilty of the very offense of the other.

No, JMT, this message is not directed specifically at honeyfugle, but at everyone who out of the abundence of their hearts speaks of condemnation and judgment rather than love as they were commanded to do. To do the opposite of what the founder of their religion commands is to hate him, because he said "IF YOU LOVE ME, keep my commandments" and to not keep his commandment of loving thy neighbor as thyself, is to not love him as he asks.

According to this very passage, Judgment is Judgment, there is NO GOOD judgment, and no BAD judgment ... there is just the ACT of Judging, and by doing so the one judging SHARES the very wrath their GOD has reserved for the one being judged.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^So as a good friend you wont try your best of warning another friend of an action that might hurt him? I do think theirs GOOD and BAD judgement on people or on things WE do....

 

Warning one of the consequences of their actions is not the same as passing judgement on them for something they have already done. Good actions result in good consequences. Bad actions result in bad consequences. This tidbit of information is the teachings of both the Buddha and Jesus.

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so would you say it was better that Honey(yes i know not every you said was towards her) would of been better if she said that she needs to watch what that Pastor says?

 

Is There a Time to Judge?

“STOP judging that you may not be judged,” said Jesus Christ to a crowd of listeners. (Matt. 7:1) Did he mean thereby to rule out judgments of all kinds? Or, are there times when it is altogether proper to pass judgment without coming under adverse judgment from God?

The Bible definitely indicates that within the congregation of God’s devoted people situations arise that require passing judgment. For example, elders may be called upon to judge fellow believers who become involved in serious wrongdoing. (1 Cor. 6:1-6) They must determine whether such wrongdoers are truly repentant and desirous of living in harmony with Bible principles. In the case of unrepentant ones, elders must follow through on the Scriptural command: “Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.”—1 Cor. 5:13.

It may be noted, however, that, in judging a person as an unrepentant wrongdoer, elders are acting in harmony with a judgment already set forth in God’s Word. They are not making a personal judgment based on their own opinions. To do so would be dangerous, opening up the way for personal prejudices to influence their decisions.

In some cases individual Christians must determine whether certain persons in the congregation are good companions for themselves or their children. (1 Cor. 15:33) When doing this, they should make sure that they are guided by a judgment already expressed in the Bible and are not selfishly motivated. No Christian, not even an elder, is authorized to pass judgment according to his personal standard.

The apostle Paul, in his letter to the congregation at Thessalonica, discussed this matter of handling situations involving persons manifesting a wrong spirit. Some in the congregation there were lazy; they took advantage of the hospitality of their Christian brothers and meddled in things that did not concern them. (2 Thess. 3:11, 12) As to the attitude of the individual members of the congregation toward a person who continued in such a course, Paul wrote: “Keep this one marked, stop associating with him, that he may become ashamed. And yet do not be considering him as an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother.”—2 Thess. 3:14, 15.

For an individual to mark someone as a person with whom he should not associate in a social way definitely requires assessing or judging him. But such assessment manifests good judgment, since it is motivated by a desire to help the individual to change his ways. At the same time it protects the ones who stop associating with him from coming under wrong influence.

Parents especially have to give consideration to this when helping their children to appreciate that even in the congregation there may be some who, because of being strongly influenced by the world in attitude, speech and actions, are not good associates.

However, when a Christian judges according to his own standards, he is actually making an unauthorized assessment of an individual’s worth as a person. By taking it upon himself to judge by his own standards, he is placing himself in a serious position before God. The disciple James pointed this out, saying: “He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother speaks against law and judges law. Now if you judge law, you are, not a doer of law, but a judge. One there is that is lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But you, who are you to be judging your neighbor?”—Jas. 4:11, 12.

James could rightly use such strong language, because Christians are commanded to love their brothers. (Jas. 2:8; 1 John 3:14-17) Now, would it be loving for them to speak against their brothers, to judge their actions, motives and manner of living by a standard other than that found in the Bible? Certainly not. Rather, persons thus judging would be setting themselves up as being above the law of love that God gives. (Matt. 22:36-40; Rom. 13:8-10) They would be ‘judging that law’ as not applying to them.

What can cause a person to become involved in wrongly judging his brothers? He may impose his conscience on them in strictly personal matters. He may make his own tastes and manner of doing things the basis for judging their worth and motivations. Thereby he ignores the fact that people are very different and have different needs, likes and dislikes. It is vital therefore to watch that a person does not get an exalted opinion of himself. No imperfect human can set himself up as a standard for judging others.

Christians are also counseled against judging nonbelievers as individuals. The apostle Paul reminded Christians at Corinth that “God judges those outside.” (1 Cor. 5:13) God’s devoted people have no right to pass sentence upon individuals outside the congregation and to inflict punishment on them. The admonition applying to Christians is: “Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: ‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay, says Jehovah.’”—Rom. 12:19.

In this regard, Christians can follow the good example of the archangel Michael. When disputing with the Devil about Moses’ body, Michael “did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: ‘May Jehovah rebuke you.’” (Jude 9) In this way Michael showed proper regard and respect for Jehovah’s position as Supreme Judge.

Furthermore, Christians should not judge others as being too sinful to deserve hearing the “good news” of God’s kingdom. They know that it is God’s desire that all men, if they but wish, come to an accurate knowledge of the truth and gain salvation. (1 Tim. 2:3, 4) Hence, they should show their love to fellowmen in an impartial way by making an effort to reach everyone with the comforting message contained in the Bible.

Clearly, then, Christians can make serious judgments or assessments with reference to persons but only when they do so on the basis of the Bible. For them to rely on personal opinion or preference could lead to their being judged adversely by the Supreme Judge, Jehovah God.

 

It is better to NOT HAVE REACTED at all in any manner: mental, verbal, or physical.

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I still have to disagree (see OWB) post above) to why we should be able to judge and I mean in good judge by the Word like OWB referred too!

also then whats the people of Political leaders in judging whats right for us? even God says to prayer for their best beings.....

 

So, is this to be interpreted as: A) serious (judgements or assessments)? Or: B) (serious judgements) or (assessments)?

If the interpretation is A, then does a 10 minute video qualify as a serious assessment? If the person was, say, in their 40's then that's over 21,024,000 minutes of their life. And ten minutes out of over twenty-one million minutes qualifies as a serious assessment.

Out of this entire thread, I don't agree with the actions of the object of this conversation, but neither do I consider any thought I may have as an accurate assessment for judgment in regards to the lifelong actions of this individual. Neither do I consider ten minutes a serious assessment to his being a Christian or not being a Christian.

To condemn one person of not being a Christian just because of a few minutes (perhaps an hour = 60 minutes) of an action that even the ones making the judgment have themselves expressed. Yet they are not saying they are not Christian because they have had hate while they have been practicing Christianity.

No one, after watching that video has any justiification whatsoever to claim the right to judge a man's religious affiliation based on a 10 minute introduction, without incurring the same judgment on themselves.

In regards to your posting, OWB, isn't this in reference to weeks, months, or perhaps years of "serious assessment" regarding ones character?

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Be that as it may, I find it hard to believe that I would even defend someone I don't even know, for an action that I don't even agree with, in a religion that I don't even believe.

Much less against a judgment regarding his religious affiliation, from people who find this kind of "witch hunt" entertaining. If it weren't entertaining, then why carry on with trying to justify unjustifiable aggression.

Is the judger's love of God more than the judged's love of God? If one has ever hated ANYONE while practicing their love for their God, does this qualify as being a follower of that God and not someone else who also says they love the same God?

Sarcasm: Well, but I asked for forgiveness, so that means I have the right to make this judgment. He hasn't asked for forgiveness yet, so he is no longer a favorite of my God.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Heck ... I don't even believe in God ... But ... I do believe in the law of Kamma (Karma).

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@ Darrell that might of been a ten minute video but dont you think that someone being a PASTOR would have a better judgement over choosing the words he spoke? shouldn't he know better then to hate his enemies and to rather love em?

 

I understand I cant make quick judgements and have my own standards but only God know if I truely am Christian and can have those type of judgement towards others......

 

I think everyone on this forum would (should) have a better judgement over choosing the words they speak (use - whether written or verbal). Everyone here should KNOW BETTER than to hate their enemies and to rather love "em"!

NO?

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Ya'!

 

So you can hate someone, anyone, and God knows you still love him. Yet, someone else can hate someone, anyone, and God doesn't know if they still love him?

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no I think you misunderstond me.... what I was trying to say is that only God know who's a real Christian and those who are not.

 

Can't someone hate what the pastor is doing without hating the pastor? Whenever I judge someone else I can usually think back to when I did something similar which humbles me.

 

Ahhh ... well now ... there's a thought ... Hate the action, not the actor.

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who said from that start we hated the Pastor? and not his actions.... this comes down to like how people ask if God hates Gays when in reality its the action not the sinner.

 

I think if we should feel anything towards the pastor, as I said earlier--it should be pity that he feels it is right and necessary to say these things.

 

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