Did you see the outpouring of emotion at Ramallah?

Did you see the outpouring of emotion at Ramallah this past week? Yassir Arafat was loved as the father of his people. Meanwhile Bush and Blair holed up at the White House thousands of miles away from where the real political action is come out with these public statements "Now that Arafat's dead we can get a fresh start on a solution to the IsraeliPalestinian Problem".

So how would that make you feel? If someone you revered as a father passed away and somebody said to you "Oh now that he's dead this is a great opportunity." Even as he was being put in the ground. How would that make you feel?

Does anyone of the surface of this planet of any political persuasion whatsoever think such statements will get us where we want to go on the road to peace? It's totally crass and incompetent. The only current relevance of the US to mideast affairs is its power to kill and I guess Bush wants to make sure things stay that way.

 

a father who exploited his children...
that aside, yes, i agree, Bush is a fucktard

 

A lot of people I've spoken with seem to think that apparently he was the ONLY thing blocking peace over there. I'm sorry but what about all the people who just hate each other? Him dying isn't going to change that. I feel bad for the people who loved him as their leader, as it's always hard to lose someone you admire that way. And I feel it was rather crass of Bush not to attend his funeral, or at least send someone of quite a bit of importance in his place. He wants peace over there? Show it, by showing respect for their passed on beloved leader....whether you like him or not....I mean hell, isn't that the Christianly thing do do at least?

 

You ignorant fool. Arafat was nothing of a father to the Palestinians.

 

BSR most Palestinians and any realistic politician would respectfully disagree.

 

How exactly would you know that?

 

The more penetrating question is how one could not know.

 

Arafat is funny.

But, I think that Bush and Blair and whoever else shouldn't have thought about a fresh start for the Isreal-Palestina problems right now... they should have thought about it continuously since the problems started. In my opinion, America ( greatly pressured by the Jewish lobby ) has allowed the Israelis way too much freedom to meddle with the Palestinians and their ground...

Britain never even asked the opinion of the Palestinians when it promised the internationally scattered Jews their own country. In fact, they promised the ground that is now Israel to different other European and Middle-Eastern countries as well, if I recall my history lessons correctly. No wonder the newfound state received such a hostile response.

All the trouble between Israel and the Islamic countries surrounding it could have been prevented with just a little more thought from the western politicians after the second world war.

 

I lived in Israel for 7 years, give me a break and take your ignorance somewhere else.

 

I agree with you mostly, but please do not confuse the right-wing israel lobby with the Jews. "The Jewish lobby"? That phrase sounds like something one would read on stormfront.org or other hate sites, if you really want to blame everything on the Jews, I think that site might be better suited for you than this one. The anti-semitism of the new left frightens me greatly. I belive that neither the israelis nor the palestinians are without flaw. Politically, both sides have been foolish, and ethicly, both sides have done things that only the truely righteous might be able to forgive. I am a Jew and this is my belief. I can not condone all of the actions of the Israelis or Palestinians. Both are at fault for the conflict. Arafat included. Sharon included. I think that the US should be keeping both parties honest, but, the US itself is not honest. I pray for peace.

 

Sorry. I indeed mixed up different things. I don't blame anything on the Jews, and very little on the state of Israel. I blame the lack of consideration towards other involved parties back when the state of Israel was formed. That is a long time ago, and there isn't anything to be done about it now. Buth the further colonising of Palestina seems to me as unnecessary ( though I don't rightly know how the population density of Israel is ). Not only the Israeli's have the right for their own place to live ( though not really a biblical right as I don't think any holy writing should be ground from which to draw rights like this ), but so have the Palestinians.

In the saddeningly improbable ideal situation, countries and borders would be obsolete all over the world and everybody could live where he wanted.

 

Both charredacacia and hailtothekingbaby seem to take a balanced and diplomatic approach in their comments about the Mideast and that's really refreshing.

I especially like hailtothekingbaby's idealism about no nations and borders. The SDS envisions a world where people are not bound by obsessions about their national, cultural, ethnic and religious identities.