Feeling bad about eating meat?

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by floes, Sep 22, 2009.

  1. floes

    floes Senior Member

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    i felt bad until i realized that plants have lives just as important as animals, and when you cut a vegetable open, it bleeds. A plants existence is just as important as an animals.
     
  2. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    Agreed, life needs to feed off of life. All living things must die at some point. And all living and non living things are equally important.

    Plants are already enlightened, they want nothing but to be a plant. To live, to reproduce, to die. Animals are enlightened too. We are all one, eating a plant is eating part of yourself.

    The difference is plants do not contain the same chemical makeup as animals. They do not contain what makes animals feel pain and suffer.
    They have the lowest consciousness of eatable life. They do not feel, taste, smell, or hear. They do not need these senses to thrive on earth. Animals have 2-5 senses which are necessary for us to thrive. Most animals with 3-5 senses have full awareness of body, they know what pain is.

    Not only do I understand that all life is equal, I respect all life. Causing a living creature harm is not respecting their existence. Living solely off of life with the lowest consciousness level possible keeps you more attached to your enlightened state.
     
  3. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    beautiful response, willy.
     
  4. marbchic

    marbchic Member

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    life feeds on life.

    who says there is pain in death? what's pain got to do with the taste of chamomile tea or brussel sprouts compared to a tuna fish sandwich?

    the earth and it's inhabitants are here for us to live and thrive..man can't live (healthy and productively) on beans and sprouts...nor would you "tell" a mountain lion to only eat the vegitation on the plain, not the bunnies..
     
  5. wally m

    wally m 14

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    how come they saw if you talk to your plants they grow better, is that not a feeling
     
  6. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    Who are 'they', and why are they lying.

    Show me some evidence. I have looked into this too and it has no basis.

    What do you mean grow better? Is there a better way to develop than the way your body was created?.

    Also that would not be a feeling, the process you are describing is hearing maybe. Plants can not feel emotion, they don't need to. Plants can also not touch, they dont need to feel out their surroundings. They just follow the light. The have no ability to feel.
     
  7. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    True, Life feeds on itself.


    There is no pain in death. Pain comes before death. Pain is either self derived or inflicted by others. Pain has little to do with comparison of taste.

    The point of my message is not that all life should feed strictly off of plants, that is absurd. My message is to feed off of life of the lowest consciousness level possible. In many cases, if you are a human, you can obviously live healthy and "productively" on a vegan diet, not necessarily on beans and sprouts alone. Some people can not for sever health reasons, in which case they may need to consume life that is more conscious. There is nothing wrong consuming all forms of life. The problem I see is if I am involved in bringing pain to an animal I am not respecting it. If I am not respecting all life then I am building more barriers between me and the enlightenment within. Your definition of respect for all life might include being involved in the unnecessary harm of animals, which is fine, It is just not the path i recommend.
    The enlightened lion can enjoy his zebra. He has a place on earth and needs to eat. He is carnivorous so he is to feed on animal flesh. I respect his needs and his right to survive.
    I respect humans who eat meat also, they have the right to survive too.
     
  8. wally m

    wally m 14

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    Ok son, take a look at your pot. Look at how much they (the people growing it) have change the thc content from how it originated.
    You say plants can not feel emotion, how do you know that? Talk to a gardener some time see what they have to say about how happy their plants. I was taught to respect all living breathing creatures. That we all have a job to do in the world.
    The only creature that is not doing his or her job is the animal call Man (by man I mean humans). Just because you can't understand a plant doesn't mean it is inferior or can't understand you.
     
  9. sunfighter

    sunfighter Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    But how many need to eat meat to survive? Not many. Eskimos and maybe some other tribes here and there.
     
  10. floes

    floes Senior Member

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    thank you willy =)
    for adding to my perspective and expanding my views on such a topic.
     
  11. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    The way i know is very simple. Everything is but a small part of the big picture. And not all parts are created physically equally, and for good reason. Say the "big picture" is your body. Your heart is man, and your liver is a plant. They are both equally important for without them you would die. But they are not equal in physical structure because you cant survive with 2 hearts and no liver, or vise versa. They both have a specific job. The job of a plant is to be a plant, as Ive said before. Plants do not need brains, to survive. They don't need to think to get nutrients from the soil or light from the sun. Brains are responsible for emotion. Emotion is a collection of feelings and thoughts basted on stimuli gathered by the senses. If plants have neither brain not any senses related to emotion, they can not feel emotion. Trust me I'm a gardener. ;) I can neglect my plants and tend only to the removal of the weeds around them and they will produce just as well as if I gave them a million dollars and kissed them goodnight.

    Man is doing his job, but we have more to contend with than most other creatures. We have a highly active mind that tends to keep us from our enlightened state. The state that the flower embodies. Which I touched on in my first post.
     

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