Islam: peaceful, friendly, and fair?

Discussion in 'Islam' started by ThePoetSappho, Jul 16, 2009.

  1. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    A great number of Muslims claim that Islam isn't about war and hate, nooooo... that's just the people misinterpreting it.
    but doesn't the Koran specifically preach hate and death against the nonbelievers and infidels?
    does it preach that a man has the right to rape, beat, and kill his wife?
    And if you say these are only parts of the koran and not all the teachings, aren't you being a cafeteria Muslim by only following parts of the Koran???
     
  2. Fawkes

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    I haven't read the Koran or studied islam at all, but I believe that it probably is basically peaceful. I think it's the jihadists that have misinterpreted it. Those bastards in Phoenix that disowned the little girl that had been raped. I would like to think they misinterpreted Muhammed's teachings. Almost all musllms are cool, I believe. There are only a small percentage that are assholes. There are millions of muslims living in Australia, America, England, Germany, etc etc etc that just want what the rest of us want. Go to work, raise a family, have a little fun, be secure and safe, etc. I don't hate ALL muslims, but I do hate radicals. Slobodan Milosevich (spelling?) was a radical christian that killed muslims. I hate him, I don't hate his victims.
     
  3. Driftwood Gypsy

    Driftwood Gypsy Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    bravo, a very well thought out response.
    You know nothing of the subject, yet feel educated enough to make a claim.
    the Koran TEACHES hate.
     
  4. Alysamir

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    well...I know very well about Islam, actually I'm a muslim. I can tell you I'm not surprised to hear what are you thinking of Islam, as many people use Islam to serve their own favours (like terrorists for example). Islam never said to kill infidels or non-muslims...but said that everyone is free to have their own religions or believes. People actually cut out phrases from the koran without completing the whole phrase,that actually ALONE might hold another explanation.
    Koran can be really misused...and unfortunately there are many muslims who might poropgand that islam teaches hate. But if u really read about the subject ull find that Islam teaches peace , tolerance. take me as an example, I'm talking about a matter that can be very sensitive to me as a muslim.. if really islam teaches hatred i should be just yelling and shouting at you now..lol
     
  5. honeyfugle

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    The Koran is like the Bible in that sense...it can be misused to promote hate and violence and then the entire religion gets a bad name from it. Not all Christians have violent beliefs and not all Muslims do either. But the ones that do create a stereotype with their actions.
     
  6. Alysamir

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    i completely agree with u
     
  7. jumbuli55

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    I don't think most people have balls to answer this type of questions but I will give it a try.

    1. Koran specifically preaches hate and death against what it defines as infidels and believers in idolatry.
    It's therefore a duty of any devout Muslim to kill, for instance, anyone who follows Buddhist religion or anyone who is atheist, unless they change their beliefs and ask for mercy (must be extremely difficult to accomplish task, considering there are at least 1.5 billion Chinese and probably as many others in Asia alone who fall under the definition of "idol worshippers" or "non-believers" and are very unlikely to become Muslims anytime soon).

    If one believes in Old or New Testament (or declares to believe) then such is not considered "non-believer" or "idol worshiper", and Koran allows for his or her life to be spared and beliefs kept, since those considered to be "people of the Book".
    But they do have to pay a special "people of the Book" tax (Muslims don't have to pay it), so their property can be under protection as well as their lives.


    2. Koran does not preach that man has a right to kill, beat or rape his wife or children. It specifically protects rights of latter in many circumstances.
    But, just as Biblical teachings, it allows for man to treat his wife as his property and gives him right to demand that she obey his command as if she was his servant. If she disobeys it gives him wide range of options to deal with situation (including stoning her to death in public).


    Most modern practicioners of major religions are like "cafeteria ________" (fill in the blank) , they omit some parts of their teachings as if they never existed and constantly quote parts which are more convenient and then blame those who follow the scripts too literally as if it wasn't transparently spelled in the scriptures in the first place.
     
  8. Alysamir

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    thanks for being straight forward, but I disagree with some of what u've said.
    - considering part 2 "wife": I think even many muslims don't get the whole picture here.
    it is widely understood that Islam states the woman as a property for her husband, that returns for some commands in Koran considering that for example man should inherent 2 times of what the woman does, and other commands that looks similar to that one. actually such commands are stated not for man superiority over woman but because man usually is who takes care of the family financially. and there are other commands which give women their rights as her right for divorce and issues concerning sheltering children after divorce too i think!... Guess it's all about how people tend to emphasis about some things leaving the others.
    considering part 1: that's really a high debate!!..i mean what ure talking about was just in the beginning of the religion and that was the way of living these days!..It sounds more reasonable to me that the exact same conditions used hundreds of years ago should not be applicable these days..Afterall the main concepts are what have to remain the same but the way to establish them is left for human to figure out..That's why we have brains i think.
     
  9. Rudenoodle

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    The punishment for leaving the Islam faith is death.

    Enough said in my opinion.
     
  10. jumbuli55

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    True, it has a lot of similarities with Judaeo-Christian religions.
     
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    and Scientology .. :rolleyes:
     
  12. jumbuli55

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    Scientology does not have a lot of similarities with the mentioned above monotheistic religions.
    What it has in common is that it also is a religion.
     
  13. Okiefreak

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    The punishment for leaving Judaism or Christianity is death?
     
  14. jumbuli55

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    Didn't you read the Bible, what wrath and punishment awaits those who turn their backs on God?
     

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