Jesus and afterlife. For some time now I've been considering a possiblility as to what the afterlife might be. I write this coming from the perspective of a believer in Christ. Perhaps we have misinterpreted the meanings of Christ entirely. I submit that Jesus was indeed the Son of God - but how - and why? I believe that as some people are sensitive to paranormal activity - Jesus was sensitive to God and had an understanding - even at a very early age of exactly who and what God is - as exemplified in his visit to the temple at age 12. Jesus realized that if you lived close enough to God - you could be part of God - and I'm not talking about having your own little planet or boss over race or another. I'm talking about a part of God. That God is a spirit who is everywhere and thus we can become an integral part of God. Jesus - when he was on earth - and us when when die. We misinterpret " I am the way, the truth and the light". He was because he knew the way, the truth and the light and that should someone "know" God they could be also. He also understood that few, if any truly "know" that we are all a part of God and we could grasp it if we would What happens when we die and our spirit departs? I do not believe we go to a mansion with golden streets and spend eternity singing and bowing- but rather that our spirit leaves us and blends in with the spirits of all those who have gone before - a part of the mystery that is God - within a swirling consiousness that is all and sees all. I think if you rethink the sayings of Jesus these concepts are a possibly a true meaning of His words. More if there is any interest. Just a thought -
With *maybe* an exception of the last big paragraph I agree 1000% You've sucked the words right out of my brain.
I believe that as some people are sensitive to paranormal activity - Jesus was sensitive to God and had an understanding - even at a very early age of exactly who and what God is - as exemplified in his visit to the temple at age 12. Jesus realized that if you lived close enough to God - you could be part of God - Yes....and the Father gives you a spirit to live in you, a fragment of himself...and this fragment is your ticket to eternal life... We misinterpret " I am the way, the truth and the light". He was because he knew the way, the truth and the light and that should someone "know" God they could be also. He also understood that few, if any truly "know" that we are all a part of God and we could grasp it if we would Yes, I kind of agree with this but in a different way. He is the way because when you die, you need to go through his creation to reach the Father. What happens when we die and our spirit departs? This is a very detailed event. If you have chosen to survive, and you have risen through the cosmic circles to a certain level, then your soul will leave under escort for "mansion" worlds whereupon you will arise in 3 days. Your spirit and your soul will fuse (along with your mind and personality) into a new temporary body until you become fully spirit. Kind of a body like what Jesus had when he said, "Dont touch me now, I havent yet gone to my Father." There are intermediary steps. You cannot instantly go from being a mortal (at the animal level) to a full-fledged spirit standing in the presence of the highest creator spirit there is. There is SO much more about this whole issue. If you have not progressed to at least the 3rd cosmic circle, then you will sleep until the next dispensational event when a large group of sleeping mortals from your planet are raised, all at one time. I think if you rethink the sayings of Jesus these concepts are a possibly a true meaning of His words. Ah yes....there are many things misinterpreted and misunderstood about what Jesus said and why he came. More if there is any interest. Absolutely...this is a great topic.
Jamming - You have gone way beyound the relatively simple steps of joining the great Spirit that God is. I do not understand why there would be all the hoops to jump through to get be part of the Spirit. The concept you relay is indeed detailed - and complicated. From what text are you pulling the Cosmic Circles?
Well.....I never limit myself to one text....although my favorite text is the Urantia Book, I also read the Gita, the Bible and various other religious tomes wherein the spirit of God has moved from generation to generation. I have always believed that God is dynamic and he speaks to each new group of his children in their time and according to their ability to assimilate his words and his thoughts and of course, his love for them. But specific to your mention of the cosmic circles, I would note that the individual earthly spiritual progress of human beings is measured by their successive attainment and traversal (mastery) of the 7 cosmic circles. These circles of mortal progression are levels of intellectual, social, spiritual, and cosmic-insight values. Starting out in the seventh circle, mortals strive for the first, and all who have attained the third immediately have personal angelic guardians of destiny assigned to them. These mortals are typically repersonalized in 3 days after death rather than waiting for a 1,000 year dispensation of sleep. It is possible, that a person would directly translate to a mansion world by attaining the 1st or 2nd cosmic circle. I personally believe this is what has happened when a spontaneous combustion corpse is found. BTW, these mansion worlds are the same worlds that the apostle spoke of in the New Testament when he said, "...I was caught up in 7th Heaven..." He was on the 7th Mansion World. Of course, there are millions of worlds that we will visit in the afterlife (if one is a believer and choses to go there). John only saw a few on his out-of-body experience. Anyhow, we are also told that various forces within the spiritual world find it very difficult to fully explain the significance of the cosmic circles to the material mind. These circle attainments are only relatively related to God-consciousness. A seventh or sixth circler can be almost as truly God-knowing as a second or first circler, but such lower circle beings are far less conscious of his or her universe citizenship. The attainment of these cosmic circles will become a part of the ascenders' experience on the mansion worlds if they fail of such achievement before natural death on earth. Nevertheless, I can tell you that a seventh circler will go on to the mansion worlds to attain further quantitative realization of cosmic growth just as does a second or even a first circler. We all have many things to learn after death. We all have much growth ahead of us on the worlds to come....it is a grand adventure......hope you are all ready. :cheers2:
Totally. Did you have like some blissfully super-God-head meditative revelation? Or maybe a ruby gem ancient tome sent from the other dimension? Seems like a bunch of mumbo-jumbo somebody put together tryin to mix different religions. Maybe even with a touch of sci-fi. No offense, but it sounds pretty BS to me. Maybe elaborate how you attained this detailed information?
Just living a long life and reading the texts, man, it's all there.....and a lot more. And yeah, I remember back once upon a time when I took the 3rd calculus-based modern physics. I thought it was BS too when the prof was talking about seeing thru walls and stuff like that...and that was in the 70s...but as I found out, it is easy to dismiss as BS what you don't know until you gain the education. Go to the library and check out a stack of books on philosophy and religion. :cheers2:
Lol I do know a lot about philosophy and religion. But all of this "7 circles".... mansions.... entrance based on ur spiritual progression. The framework seems a little "off" to me, kinda like how medieval churches like to categorize the hiearchy of angels and demons, heaven and hell into a bunch of distinct categories. If you could cite some websites/sources that'd be cool. When you toss around things talking about "lowly mortals and full spirits" and "rising in 3 days" things.... seems like a lot of interpreting biblical keypoints into a whole other monster.
I don't know a lot about philosophy or religion other that 50 years of bible, church with some outside reading and years of trying to sort out the truth. Jammin - It seems your ideas add layer upon layer of exactly what I was trying to back out of - hoops and fences to crawl thru, jump over and run around to get to the ultimate goal - which is to be in commune with God. I see what Christianity has done to frighten, beg, and cojole people into believing, and then making it almost impossible to reach the goal. As I see it - The teachings of Jesus make it very simple to find oneness with God - "Love the Lord your God with all your heard and all you mind and with all your strength and your neighbor as yourself." Since God is Love - then Love is God - Love like God loves and treat others as God would. You will then be in oneness with God. Whatever else you do is just spinning in circles with your arms waving around wildly. It does no good and might or might not be harmful to your spirit.
I'm just not so sure that this life is our one and only. That our whole journey takes place in this short window of time and then we reach the finale. I kinda lean towards this life simply being one phase.
All of the information is just information, man. There is nothing to get all excited about. You don't even have to know it. It is there if you want to know it. The question was asked, the information was given as I believe it. Others will believe something differently. And that is always the way it is. The question was asked regarding the sources of my beliefs (many) and I gave several. Apparently, that wasn't enough. For example, the question was asked: What happens when we die and our spirit departs? Now brother Tsurugi apparently doesn't like my answer so rather than give his own he starts making tacky remarks about my beliefs. Hey brother man, I suggest you give us YOUR beliefs...if you are so sure mine are WRONG and yours are right....then you must be pretty sure about YOURS....Let's here 'em. Lay 'em on us in detail because they must be good.
I don't have very detailed thoughts about the afterlife. And my beliefs about "reincarnation" are based on my observations that everything in the universe is in a constant process of change. Everything "dies" and gives form to the birth of something "new". Transformation of one kind to another. Based on that observation, to me it only makes sense that this life is only one small part of one giant continuem. That I have existed in many other forms prior to this one, and will exist for many other forms after this one. I just can't see being plopped here, expect to figure out all life's mysteries in a tiny span of time, and then sent to a giant spiritual holding tank. To me this philosophy (defined loosely as such) seems to go against the very nature of all of existence. I don't propose to know the different levels of the universal heirarchy or the conditions to get to different levels. I just observe a basic pattern and assume that this pattern is a fractal that explains all life. I'm not saying that you're wrong. But when you give such a detailed account about this process one has to wonder how you got all of this information.
I don't have very detailed thoughts about the afterlife. And my beliefs about "reincarnation" are based on my observations that everything in the universe is in a constant process of change. Everything "dies" and gives form to the birth of something "new". Transformation of one kind to another. Based on that observation, to me it only makes sense that this life is only one small part of one giant continuem. That I have existed in many other forms prior to this one, and will exist for many other forms after this one. I just can't see being plopped here, expect to figure out all life's mysteries in a tiny span of time, and then sent to a giant spiritual holding tank. To me this philosophy (defined loosely as such) seems to go against the very nature of all of existence. I don't propose to know the different levels of the universal heirarchy or the conditions to get to different levels. I just observe a basic pattern and assume that this pattern is a fractal that explains all life. I'm not saying that you're wrong. But when you give such a detailed account about this process one has to wonder how you got all of this information. Yes......very fair....I like your response. Not that it really matters but I truly appreciate it. I just felt that the others were not fair. And I apologize for getting angered. I am sure if we all could sit down face to face we would have a wonderful conversation on this whole issue that would be VERY gratifying for all of us...it is just rather hard to do it in this forum....but... we have do deal with what we have. I personally don't exactly believe in reincarnation although I do believe in what could be considered a form of it so we have some similarities. I believe that the spirit that indwells us has oftentimes also indwelled others before us.... Peace, brother.
There are many realms between here and the realms of heaven and the realms of pure spirit. Jesus was a man. Christ was a title for the divine state of consciousness jesus reached, in which he experienced god's omnipresence directly. When jesus said he is the way, he is referring to this state of christ consciousness that anyone can obtain. "Let thy eye be single and thy body be full of light." That means meditation on the third eye to gain superconscious perception. One must keep reincarnating on this earth plane until one learns his lesson, and raises his consciousness to a heavenly state, and finally raise is conscious back up into god. There are many millions and billions of dimensions that one can land up in in between this time. God is closer to you to then you are to own self. God is the true self. Look inside you and you will find the god within.
Jesus was a man. Christ was a title for the divine state of consciousness jesus reached, in which he experienced god's omnipresence directly. I am in agreeance on your point in this quote. Very nicely said. The rest I'm not so sure about - It still seems to me as if we are being urged to add more and more "things to do" to reach God - making it more and more difficult. I believe that a good life will result in a more enlightened state in the after life - but getting there is oh so very simple.
We cannot only believe in god, we must experience him directly through the science of meditation. This is the only way to truly be saved. One must detach himself from material desires and be an expression of gods beauty and love. This could take 100s of lifetimes to accomplish, or can be accomplished in a single moment of realization. To understand god one really has to learn meditation. Love and Acceptance is the Master Key, it will unlock all doors.
