World peace

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Alysamir, Sep 8, 2009.

  1. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    What percent do you think we are at now?



    Miniature Earth Project.

    We're a long ways from being socially and economically equal.
     
  2. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    70% when I'm feeling optimistic. 60% when I'm not.
     
  3. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    True. Not the same as being peaceful, though.
     
  4. Alysamir

    Alysamir Member

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    I think such a percentage is big..as under that percentage is what could be a World War!!
     
  5. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    I don't understand this part.



    Near enough true.
     
  6. goingtocalifornia

    goingtocalifornia Banned Underage!

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    60/70%?
    There are wars going on right now, people are dying. How is that 60/70% peaceful?
     
  7. Tsurugi_Oni

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    It is impossible to achieve world peace, but definately not something which is 10x more acceptable than this. It would probably take a large "social/spiritual" revolution in the modern world to make it happen. Thats the only way I could see us getting rid of a lot of the ignorance in the world within a couple generations.
     
  8. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    There are no wars in America, Australia, Great Britain, most - if not all - of China, most - if not all of Russia, Most - if not all of Europe, most of Africa and most of the Middle East (did I miss anywhere out?)
    I'd say that was atleast 60/70%
     
  9. Alysamir

    Alysamir Member

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    I meant to say that when saying that 60 or 70 percent of the world is in peace, thats means that 30- 40 percent of the world is in war...and that would be a big percentage!!...because more than that It would turn to be a world war!
    I wanted to say that such percentages u are talking about doesn't seem to lead to any world peace or even a "partial one".
     
  10. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    To be honest, I wasn't using war as a means of ascertaining if we the world was at peace or not.
    War isn't - by definition - peaceful, but it isn't the only thing that drives away peace.
    I'd say 10-15% (at most) are at war...or conducting a war in a country.
    I didn't want to seem overly optimistic or pessimistic, but knew the majority of the world is at peace...

    I'm not quite sure how it can lead to world peace...
    I wasn't suggesting it would, though.
     
  11. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    "They" say the best predicter of future behaviour is past behaviour.If that premise is accepted--the future doesn't look much better than the past regarding peace for any sentient beings.
     
  12. Tsurugi_Oni

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    I'd say conscious choice is the best predicter of future behaviour.

    IMO people rely on the past way too much. Comparing war 10,000 years ago to war 2000 and in modern times is not nearly the same. Same goes for poverty.

    But everyone just think "war and poverty" will always be the same, yet the conditions which create these two phenomenon are totally different.
     
  13. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    The weapons are differant as is the capacity to effect much ,much larger differances regarding disparities in wealth. It doesn't seem to matter which age one looks at--there are and have been the conquerors and the conquered--the haves and have nots-the live and let live types and the power seekers. Even in this age of instant world wide communication , unabashed transgressions against one another ,some of monstrous proportions continue unabated. Why do bad actors keep acting bad individually and collectively even after a few million years of human -like and modern human evolution?Something is not right here.Why are the human characteristics of greed and power- seeking in the few with so much influence--so much stronger than those of empathy and altruism? It seems to me(in my naivete)that somehow intellectually,everyone should be able to think about how to make the world a peacefull,safe and prosperous place for all creatures to exist and begin to bring it to fruition. Not happening.What are the answers? Are there any?
     
  14. Tsurugi_Oni

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    I get what you're saying completely, but look at it like this.

    Look at our economic system and that will give you all the answers. Our world is basically about who has the most resources to allocate. And they use those resources to gain even more resources, and to keep the system running so it continues that way. If you don't think we have the resources to feed every person in the world then you're a fool. If you think we can't de-desert land, make land productive, and show people in desperation a true way of life then I say the same.

    The little man isn't empowered. The little man has the creativity to change his life, but not the resources to make it happen. He spends 40 hours a week paying bills, making car payments, paying for health insurance, and a billion other things which keep him tied down. As a society the little man is fragmented. It's hard for us to make real change because it's hard for us to move as a unit. It takes a unit, an idealogical force, to make change (thank God the internet is helping). Yet who has the resources to conduct surveys, carry out big research projects, and hire people who can spend every moment of their lives working towards the betterment of society? The big guys!! Yet most don't use their money that way, because it essentially destroys what gives them power.

    Yet to understand the possibility of world peace look at a small household. No exploitation, giving, caring, sharing, communication, understanding, empathy. When the collective consciousness is erased and the possibilities of a new one emerges, then we *can possibly* have world peace. Look DEEP..... you have to see past the illusion they present.

    Ask "Why don't we have medical marijuana and hemp products that would revolutionize the world overnight??". If you understanding deeply the implications of this question you will understand why we don't have world peace.
     
  15. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    ^^^ That's the point i was trying to make, we shouldn't expect worldwide peace until we are more socially and economically balanced worldwide.
     
  16. scratcho

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    I get it --and for quite some time now, how it pretty much it all works with the entrenched interests and I agree with both of you.I DO keep asking questions tho and many fall into the rhetorical to see what comes up.
     
  17. Conservationist

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    World peace can't be done. It just can't exist. Anarchy's a mess!
     
  18. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    this better be a joke.
     
  19. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    You're right world peace cannot be obtained [​IMG]

    We've been at each others throats for over 4 million years, and I suspect we'll be at each others throats for another 4 million years :eek:


    Hotwater
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I don't think world peace can ever be accomplished while men rule the world. They just are too invested with promoting their own seed. It's actually very basic. It's not going to happen while the motivation is their very existence in their eyes. Add profit, dominace and power to the package and it's impossible.
     

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