Liberals are just secular Christians

Seriously, other than the existence of god, what differences in belief do they have?

* We're all equal under the skin
* The meek shall inherit the earth
* We are judged by moral rectitude not competence
* We can make our society more godlike/progressive.

It's the same shit, in different packaging. Glad I'm not either, although as a Hindu I am technically also Christian.

 

I don't think Liberal politics has to imply any religious connotations, whatsoever. I mean, the definition of a Classic Liberalist rejects the very notion there is any God and the state should be secular.

 

First I wonder what you mean by ‘liberals’ I mean there are many on the left who think ‘liberal’ political parties don’t go far enough.

The other thing is that actually I’ve noticed and mentioned it a few times that many people come here usually of the right who seem to view there political beliefs as if they were faith based religious beliefs.

They come here to preach rather than debate, Rather than putting forward ideas, opinions or theories to see if they stand up to scrutiny they make pronounce assertions that are just right and indisputable, and they stick to these as dogmatically as any creationist whatever is set up in opposition, refusing to address criticism or dismissing counter views on the grounds that it is plainly wrong as it doesn’t conform to their beliefs rather than through any type of rational argument.

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Are you saying that there are sub-divisions of homo sapiens? That some humans are superior or inferior to others?

To which John Paul Getty replied I believe ‘but the rich shall keep the mineral rights’

This kind of religious statement was why Marx called religion the opium of the masses, what it is in effect saying is – don’t do anything about those in power just be meek and one day everything will be different.

Most on the left belief to fuck being meek, do something rattle the establishment cages, take away power from the few and distribute it.

You mean people who are competent don’t need to have any integrity, probity or to hold any principles?

I mean you can have a very competent bloody handed tyrant, Caesar was a competent general who conquered Gaul but he did kill one fifth of its population in the process. Oh and the holocaust concentration camps were competently run, so they must have been a good thing in you opinion, probably not hey?

To me it a matter of both integrity and competence.

You don’t want a better society?

You think everything is perfect in your society and there is no area in which improvements can be made?

Progressive just means progress, progression, change, or improvement, and things change, the alternative is to wish for things to remain exactly as they are, even as the world changes, in other words stagnation.

It is usual for vested interests, the establishment or elite to wish to stifle change because it has a tendency to upset their power.

 

Most of the broadcast Christianity that comes out of the US or any wear else for that matter is not the least bit Liberal at all.

Well may be the most influential and capable are just to busy valiantly defending there own patch of theology twenty-four-seven, or running mega church's and racking it in or worming there way into positions of power and influence or combination of all of the above.

Jesus can be a good career move. The left tends to be an uphill battle.

 

Not Christian.

Not liberal. The meek should get help - that's as far as most liberal policies go on the meek

Neither?

How is progressive godlike?

 

The meek shall inherit the Earth... the rest of us will take the stars!

 

The meek shall get buggered time and again.

 

The system has created the "meek". The free market inherently has a large number of working poor and struggling middle-class families, it can't survive without them. There are far more of them than there are rich people. Through democracy they will take their fair share. This is reality, get over it

Also I don't think that liberals necessarily believe that we're all inherently equal. They believe that we're equal in the eyes of the law and government.

 

why can't a liberal be christian? just more republican propoganda. politricks!

 

* We're all equal under the skin
* The meek shall inherit the earth
* We are judged by moral rectitude not competence
* We can make our society more godlike/progressive.

Do you actually think the right believes in any of these?

 

Christians tend to favor the Republican party because their authoritarian attitude towards social issues is the closest to a theocracy they can hope for.

 

Yet Christians and liberals are all about equality, while Republicans are opposed to it.

Is it possible some Conservative Christians are conservative first?

(Can you have a conservative hippie?)

 

Of course conservative Christians can be conservative before they're Christians. They are called "born again" and in the wake of their failed attempts at life they have adopted religion as a cop out from their existential freedom.

 

Op.... are u serious???

 

Republicans are opposed to Christianity?

 

Republicans are opposed to equality, as the sentence says.

 

Jesus was a liberal Christian

 

1. Most "conservative christians" aren't actually conservatives, and aren't actually christians.

2. There are a lot of conservative hippies, probably a greater percentage of conservative hippies than conservative christians (at least libretarian hippies, which, I hear is a flavor of conservatism)

3. REAL conservatives don't oppose equality, they actually just have a different definition of it. Based on trusting a different set of people than liberal people do.

 

To be "Liberal" means you question and, hopefully, transcend your prejudices.

It is NOT anti-Christian.

It is not, and should never be confused with, hedonism, i.e. "anything goes." It just seems so to those who do not question or transcend their prejudices.

I would be careful about telling this to anyone who calls himself a "Conservative" but Liberalism is not even anti-conservatism, since conservatism is, ultimately, an unshakable adherence to ones' ideals (sometimes, unfortunately, to the exclusion of other ideals).

I think America is arguably crippled and in decline. I think it will be an increasingly obvious problem until we reconcile the traditional wisdom of real Conservatism (Not the anti-intellectual B.S.of Bush/Cheney/Rove et al) with creative power of Liberalism. Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr., and many, many others have done it, someday we will too.

 

Yes. Liberal values follow straight down the line from Platonic thinking into Christianity.

However, don't be fooled by modern labels. "Conservatives" are just a sub-section of liberalism. Just like liberalism is a form of religious manichean morals and conservatism.

Especially, in the idea that some men have better souls (and therefore earn more) than others according to Christian values put into law in capitalist (so-called democratic) state systems.