Christianity/Am i gay

Well i was raised as a Christian, and as much I would like to believe that im a Christian i just cant seem to live a full on Christian life style. I believe There is a God, I believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and I live by the gold rule.. Treat other the way you would like to be treated. I also do not deny being a Christian.

Now, ill say this. I enjoy watching gay porn, I have had a few gay experience, nothing major just mutual hand jobs and enjoyed it very much both giving and receiving. Im very attracted to the idea of being sexual with another man i never have except for those handjobs. I dont think I could ever actually date and truly love another guy, just seems very weird to me (no offense just not my thing).

Although iv tried very hard, iv had very poor luck with hooking up with girls. Iv had 1 real girlfriend in my 20 years in life and the relationship lasted for 6 months, with nothing more then kissing and cuddling, i was to scared to try anything back then.

So in your opinion does it make me gay that guys turn me on but do not want a relationship. Also would like input on the Christianity. I know The Bible says sleeping with another man is a nono, I probably never will have real penis in the butt sex with another man. Just would like some thought and opinions on "fooling around" with out actually having sex.

 

Well, Leviticus says its a no no, but he was a crack pot

In the timeline of the New testament, Jesus was 30 something, no wife, no girlfriend, no kids, still living with his parents, natural empathy towards woman, big sensitive guy with puppy dog eyes. Sound familiar?

Jesus stood up for Mary Magdelene, when everyone else judged her for her job description, do you think he'd give a crap about whether a dude wants a bit of private time with another dude?

Don't fall for the antigay thing, especially in Christianity, a lot of it comes down to the Mohammed vs Jesus thing. Mohammed was a badass, raping camels and 9 yr old girls, where as its more than likely Jesus was a homo. So thats what a lot of the antigay thing is about in those two religions. Who was the better prophet, the pedo or the homo?

 

I don't think it was "more than likely" Jesus was a homo. It's hard enough to find evidence of his existence, let alone his sexuality. Of course, if you believe Dan Brown (which I don't) he was secretly married to Mary Magdalene and had kids. The Gospel of Philip (not part of the Christian canon) says that Jesus "kissed her on the ..."(gap in manuscript; we'll just have to use our imaginations). He was definitely not still living with his parents in his 30s. As for the sensitivity and puppy dog eyes, those may owe more to popular conceptualizations than scripture. And Muslim (and Hindu) fundamentalists are at least as tough on gays as Jewish and Christian fundamentalists are.

I do think there's a lot of strange stuff in Leviticus that people don't follow today: "Obey my commands. Do not crossbreed domestic animals. Do not plant two kinds of seed in the same field. Do not wear clothes made of two kinds of material." (There's also some beautiful stuff about justice and caring for the poor that people, particularly Bible thumping Republicans, also don't follow today). Besides Leviticus and some other Old Testament passages, you also have to contend with Paul, who condemned "malakoi" and "arsenokotai" (the meanings of which are debated) and who preached in Romans 1:18-32 against men and women who abandoned "natural" relations with the opposite sex for same sex lust. Of course, some (e.g., Bishop Spong) suspect that Paul might have been struggling with his own homosexual tendencies (again, speculation). I've argued in the Christian forum that these passages in Paul's writings can be read narrowly to refer to temple prostitution, pederasty, lust, and promiscuous forms of homosexuality, possibly leaving room for committed, loving same sex relations. But Christian fundamentalists disagree. I wish there were an easy, clearcut answer on this, but I don't think there is. (I'm not a fundamentalist, and gay is okay with me).
I personally find it painful that people are going through such torment over this issue because of some obscure passages in scripture written by people who didn't have the benefit of modern research and intepretations by people who didn't understand the historical context and nuances of language back when it was written. For example, are "malakoi" gay, effeminate, masturbators, or just morally weak? Jesus used the singular term to mean luxuriously dressed ( "But what did you go out to see? A man clothed in malakos(soft raiments). Matthew, 11:8.)

 

i think that maybe the reason u havent had much luck with girls is because u havent explored these gay feelings u have i say try fooling around with a guy and see how it goes who are u giving hand jobs too maybe next time put that thang in your mouth and see if it feels good. as for the god thing do you really think that you along wiht millions of other people would have these strong feelings if god didnt want it so. there are many good people who are gay do they not deserve gods love as much as a straight person if god is truely omnipotent god wouldnt have made a mistake when he made gay people how could he i feel that to denounce gays is to say that god has made a mistake and for man to dare question god is heracy

 

If you are attracted to men, then you are probably gay. But I'll say this though, I have enjoyed gay porn and fantasized about having mutual masturbation with other men, but I never had that great of an interest to exert myself to find that experience. A couple of men offered, but I declined.

The strange thing is that once I stopped watching as much porn as I used to, my excitement towards men went down to pretty much nothing. So for me anyway, I think it was more in the lines of enjoying the taboo of it. I don't know if that's the same for you. You can be just the way that you are and it may be more than just a taboo for you. If it is, then you should accept and love yourself for who you are and move on.

Since you're asking Christians, I think that Christians are not bound by Jewish laws and I am in lines with Okiefreak with the confusion of those two words mean. Personally, I am leaving the possibility open that to a Christian, same sex is a sin, but then it would be in the same lines as having sex outside marriage is a sin. With that said, I am leaning towards Okiefreaks assessment of what the words imply. I think it has more to do with lust and prostitution, and child molestation and using homosexuality as a means of controlling each other.

God loves everyone.

 

oooo i agree with just enjoying the taboo thing some times the fact that u think u shouldnt makes it hot n sexy i felt that way about s&m but i didnt like it when i did it

 

Drop the religion and embrace your sexuallity. You'll be much happier. There's little to be gained from self-denial..

 

would also like to point out that Jesus also ran around with 12 men whom kissed him on multiple occasions and never left his side. This man was a player. haha.

You can be gay and a christian. There is no law against it. There are plenty of welcoming churches all over. Do what makes you feel comfortable, and dont let the other stuff get you down.

 

Dude,

Work on reaching your own state of happiness. Leave the good, ole religion to the others... The time will come, when you'll have hardly any other choice to start with...

KD

 

Christians don't like us gays. FACT!

 

Hey, just because you like watching gay porn doesn't make you gay. It's normal to be attracted to the same sex, but that doesn't make you gay. Besides, it doesn't make you a bad person, always remember that. 'Fooling arround' and having sex is two totally different things, and I don't think it makes you gay. And if you are, your family and friends will love you for who you are.

About the Christian thing: I'm not a Christian myself... But in my opinion, if people don't like the way you are, then don't waste you time on them. Don't let anything or anyone make you feel like less of a Christian or less good. Nobody can tell you that you are less valuable, 'cause that's not true.

 

Lets turn this around. Be gay, don't be Christian. You'll be much happier.

 

Be both. The only reason there's still definitive, and negative, correlation to be found between Christianity and homosexuality bigotry is because a person will shy away from one or the other.

God accepts, and forgives all his children. He created the earth, and every person on it (LOL). However, by religious standards that should salvage each and every gay soul. Plus, in a world where you see man kill one and other for the sake of God's word, thus religious murderers, i'm sure he (or she) could quite easily turn a blind eye to a bit of back door rumpy pumpy.

 

All in all, last thing to add. To me, if you cannot have a relationship with the same sex, you are not bisexual or homosexual. It's the ability to be attracted to, and thus fall in love, with another of your gender.

However, i'm unsure what you mean by not wanting a relationship. Not sure if you meant that you literally couldn't, or just did not want one at this particular moment.

I've known the odd guy in the past who would easily share sexual experiences with other men, but couldn't imagine the idea of love or romance. In reality, he was strait, just horny enough to be unfazed by who was giving him a blowjob, as long as someone did. Maybe you are bi-curious.

 

There were gay folks long before there were christian folks...I'm stickin' with the old ways.

 

Hell to the yeah. :cheers2:

I can't stand religion in general. I completely don't understand how anyone could take a strong stand that there's a god. It's clear enough that if there is, he's either a motherfucker or he's the ultimate deadbeat dad. He doesn't care what we do, or what happens to us. And even if I were to stipulate there was a creator, there's even less reason to believe that any of the religions have it right.

If there's a god, he doesn't matter, and religions matter even less. We know for certain religions are the creation of people who were competely ignorant about how the world works, and were trying to explain why the sun rises and sets. And then they decided to push their hang-ups and opinions on other people by saying that they're gods' commands.

The Abrahamic religions have got to go. Monotheism is clearly about tyrrany. The older religions portrayed the gods as real people, and better understood that they didn't know everything and the myths were just ideas and parables; something to think about.

 

if you dont believe in GOD , than why the fuck you care about dead people you dont even fucking know for.. :toetap05:
srsly.. When you post something.. Try to remember what you said in the past..
now iI have to go to do salat.. DayMondayFajr5:03

 

Because I believe in PEOPLE.

What the fuck? Religion doesn't have a corner on emphathy or morality, bub.

 

empathy is what you imagined , backed by morals or spiritual accord. same you expect to accomplish by morning the dead or having some respect as you say..

Was you there when they crucified my Lord? this empathy is 2000 yrs old..

 

You are gay. Sorry if other people are dancing around it, but you are. You are going down a path that millions of other men have gone down.

I notice that the Christian gay men, including myself, originally say things like you - "I could never love a man or date one." Yes you can, you have just been taught your whole life that it is wrong and hence you have a hard time accepting it.

All I can say is you are saying exactly what so many of my friends have said - and I mean EXACTLY. Either they come out, find boyfriends and live happy lives with fulfilling relationships, or they stay in the closet and never truly have an intimate relationship and feel miserable.

Which would you choose? God created gay people just like he created black and white people, all just part of our diverse world. Every species of mammal has exhibited homosexuality in the exact same proportions that it exists in humans. What does this mean? It's natural.