has anyone paid directly by credit

i know of a place that only offers pip's jwh and some other chems that are not analogs of schedule 1 or 2 drugs, and they are based in the us. they only accept debit or credit. it seems like everything is completly legal. but at the same time it seems really dumb to use a credit card online. i guess im asking two things, if someone knows what im talking about, is this straight? and has anyone paid for a chem that isnt an analog with a card?

 

Yeah i'd say go ahead, I wouldnt be sketched out at all if their only analogs, plus JWH-018 will never be prosecuted for as it isnt even an analog!

I have ordered with a debit card countless times, but never my one, what I do is go to the grocery store and pick up one of those Visa or Mastercard GIFT CARDS, they are pre-paid debit cards that work anywhere credit cards are accepted and are non-traceable if you are paranoid.

So yeah man, go for it, get a giftcard too if youd like.

 

i know what your talkin about, they're legit, i wouldn't worry since nothing is illegal or an analogue.

 

If it's not even an anologue, I wouldn't worry about it. Like someone said, a prepaid card would get rid of a paper trail if you're really nervous for some reason.

 

You guys realize that drugs that have effects similar to current scheduled drugs are considered analogs, right? So JWH-* and piperazines could be prosecuted as THC and MDMA analogs. It's not just in the chemistry. It's the same as selling fake drugs and getting prosecuted for real ones.

 

No its not by effects, thats subjective, its by how it affects receptors in the brain/nervous system etc.

 

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/analog/analog_info1.shtml

 

Analog act only applies to drugs with similar effect if they are sold AS the illegal alternative drug. JWH is so chemically different from anything that is illegal that it isn't at all an analog drug.

 

Notice the "And" clause:

1. 'chemical substantially similar'

AND EITHER
2. effects similar to substance in Schedule I or II
3. OR someone represents it as having the effect of a controlled substance

if it has effects similar to schedule I or II it doesn't count as an analog unless it is also substantially chemically similar

 

Notice the "And" clause:

1. 'chemical substantially similar'

AND EITHER
2. effects similar to substance in Schedule I or II
3. OR someone represents it as having the effect of a controlled substance

if it has effects similar to schedule I or II it doesn't count as an analog unless it is also substantially chemically similar

 

The more you know...
Thanks binary I felt dumb for a second. Was too lazy to look it up for clarification. Probably something everyone in this community should have memorized

 

How about Spice, the pot alternative? It was marketed for human consumption. So, now JWH's are analogs.

 

I believe it wasnt a JWH chemical in spice, I think it was HU-210 and one of the CP... CP 555234254435 something lol.


But no man, I dont think spice was marketed for actual consumption, plus, they didnt list the RC's, it took like a year till anyone knew what was actually causing the high.

 

Most definitely not man. Trust me. You say spice is a pot alternative, but what does that mean? If they say that it was a marijuana alternative, then SPICE would be illegal, not the ingredients. Kinda the same idea as san pedro cactus or mimosa hostilis. The chems in them ARE illegal, but they aren't.

You could always sell JWH as a tobacco alternative if u really wanted... They both have effects.

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You know what I don't understand? How can america have the analog law when for a drug to be illegal it has to unhealthy/dangerous or unsafe? How can they know automatically that they will be like that? Probably because they know most chems that are similar in action and structure have similar negative affects.

Getting "high" isn't illegal, so how can they make these drugs illegal? What about caffeine and all those good chems? They have a super high potential for abuse... None of this shit makes sense.

I would go into law and try to change it, but who wants to be poor trying to make people sign a pro-drug petition? LMAO.... Ahhhh, so I am stuck with the way things are now. Jail for someone who uses acid? Seriously? OK, I will pay for their healthcare, food, cloths, etc. when they were probably contributing more to society than most... (most acid users I know have a ≥ regular paying job.)

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cool. does anyone know if you can put any amount you want one a credit gift card? ive only seen them in the 25, 50, 100 pre set amounts. i need to spend over 100, and its a big pain in the ass to try to use two cards. i need to put like 115 or so on it

 

yeah the Greendot prepaid cards--you can put any ammt on them up to 250$ they also have ones where you can put more than 250$ on them---i always use prepaid online with all the ID theft going around-----i got an email from my bank stating someone was trying to access my card from overseas and ive never even used that card online

 

thanks alot ^

 

I say this alot, but I really mean it this time...

WORD

 

eace:

I agree completely, but I do think that a decent defense atty. could find enough holes in this thinking to get you off.

 

Yep, in the federal analogue act. Pips count as analogues. Really most of them do and can be used for prosecution if it can be proven to be for human consumption. I know of a person that is in a mess and they are trying to get the dude for an X charge(schedule 1) even though it was not. They actually have research chemical defense attorneys.