Why the Obama as Joker poster leaves a bad taste in the mouth

i really dont feel like digging through past posts, so i will accept your claim to have not made predictive statements about the country/economy while still maintaining my points.

i would be interested in elaboration on this. perhaps i'm misinterpreting what you're saying - but i expect i have no clue what you mean. again, though, my previous comments were not meant to be offensive or accusatory, and i know it would be very plausible for them to sound as such so if you take offense to my comments i do apologize.

anyway, i dont want to bicker, i just rarely actually voice opinions on this kind of thing, but i do feel this is fear mongering.

i do respect you, i just disagree.

that goes double for matt lol

 

once again, i have posted OTHERS predictions and stated i agree with them .. i am not disputing that.

another metaphor for going "john galt".

trust me,i could give a shit less what you or anyone else thinks..

good,neither do i.

 

LOL

i had to look that up to refresh my memory, but i'm glad that's what you meant. to me, going gray implies growing older, graying hair lol



i couldn't figure out what the hell you meant by that helping to change things:cheers2:

anyway, agree to disagree i guess. i still just dont think that anything THAT bad will happen, and if it does, such is life. the people have never had power and never really will - only an illusion of it. people suffer, and perhaps sometime in the future the american people will be the sufferers rather than oppressors. who knows....

 

Well you better get used to it

His meteoric rise to power against all odds is the thing of legends :cheers2:


Hotwater

 

as will be his fall from grace..

 

There are certain things that both major parties have in common and neither will ever change, yes. But it's insane to say that the two don't have significant differences. If you don't notice any difference between when Republicans are in power and when Democrats are in power you must not be gay, female, non-white, military, poor, rich, religious, irreligious, or... have a head and at least one of the five senses.

 

But they DON'T have significant differences. They merely use issues like gay marriage, religion, etc. to make the general public THINK there is a difference and thus join one of the two sides. However, when you look beyond the facade and the empty rhetoric, you see BOTH parties are leading us in the exact same direction.

Democrats don't give a shit about gay people anymore than the Republicans give a shit about the values of "Christian conservatives." It's all bullshit. Both sides are controlled by the corporate and banking elite, and the goal is to play the two sides off one another to create chaos and confusion. so that people fight amongst themselves as their freedoms are stripped from them, instead of uniting against their common enemy. What does Obama not support that Bush supported? Seriously.

 

Health care reform, Don't Ask Don't Tell, abstinence-only education, faith-based initiatives, baiting other world leaders, warrantless wire-tapping, prisoner abuse, cooking the intelligence to call for invasion, invasion, using false-confession torture to justify invasion, fillibustering the opposition every time, not reaching out to the minority opposition, tax breaks for the ultra rich, tax shelters, running a deficit without any plan to pay for it, trickle-down economics, hiding programs and policies from Congress, free speech zones, speech audiences that have signed loyalty oaths, running the Justice Department from the White House, astroturfing, doing few addresses, months-long vacations, appointing unqualified flunkies, rewarding failure of those flunkies, "if you're not wi' us, you're again' us", having the same opinion on Wednesday that you had on Monday no matter what changed on Tuesday, believing God appointed you president...

Do I have to go on? And the guy's only had six months. So far I've been very dissappointed with his reluctance to prosecute torture, and backpedaling on some of his positions on transparency.

 

Its old. This stuff was comming out durring the primary elections.

 

Obama doesn't support warrantless wiretapping? Which planet are you living on.

Obama Administration Defends Bush Wiretapping

http://www.pcworld.com/article/168502/obama_administration_defends_bush_wiretapping.html

 

Here on Earth, Obama doesn't run the Department of Justice. The judicial branch is a whole seperate branch from the executive branch. That's why it was such a scandal that the DoJ granted Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld's every wish, firing judges for political reasons and making up legal justification for authorizing torture that had already been done.

You lose.

 

Obama doesn't run anything. He's a puppet.

 

And yet, he's to blame for everything. Funny how that works. You're a fraud, Rat. You say there's no difference between the parties, and yet Obama's a socialist. Is Bush a socialist? If not, then there's a difference. But I'll bet you never called Bush a socialist. And if there's no difference between the parties, then why didn't Bush ever try to reform health care? And how's Obama trying to kill seniors, when Obama doesn't run anything? You're a fraud. Doing a form of astroturfing, claiming to be independent, but really you're a shill for the right.

 

I never said he's to blame for everything. Technically, that is his role, however. He takes the blame for the bankers that pull his strings from behind the curtain. This is the role of ALL presidents. Presidents are merely frontmen for the public to believe in.

Also, I never said Obama is a socialist. Fascist would be a more accurate description, but still he is really just a puppet and he makes none of his own decisions. So these labels are pretty much irrelevant anyway. But historically fascists have been puppets.

Is Bush a socialist? Well, he's certainly not a conservative when he tripled the size of government in eight years.

Bush and Obama are simply globalists who answer to globalist masters. It doesn't matter what you choose to call them because no matter who is in office, they are working toward the same agenda for the same elites at the top.

Bush didn't try to reform health care because that wasn't his job at the time. It would have looked too suspicious for a so-called "conservative" (which Bush is not and never was) to install a socialist health care system. People would have been even more against it than they are now.

To maintain the illusion of Democrat vs. Republican, they have to maintain at least some semblance of apparent differences, that way people will take sides and argue with one another over which is right. It's called divide and conquer.

 

What a shitty article.
"They have a different opinion - that's bad"
That article is everything that's wrong with what we call the 'news'

 

So if Obama is owned by the elite, then why is he trying to pass health care reform? It will hurt the rich very badly if it happens. It will be as impossible to get rid of as social security, if it happens.

And since health care reform passing would be such a blow to "them", then why are you against it?

 

Because, if the government can control health care then they can have direct control over you and your body. They can have complete control over your medical records and determine which treatments you can and cannot receive. They want to phase out all ALTERNATIVE treatments and make the only treatments available those of the medical-industrial complex (aka big pharma). Look at who funded Obama's campaign. If they were against socialized health care so much, as you seem to be implying, why on earth did they funnel so much money into his campaign? Obama is nothing more than a stooge for Wall Street and the transnationals that funded his campaign and ensured he got into office so he could work for THEM.

Health care "reform" is what the elite want. Don't be so gullible. If they were against it, they would not be trying to ram it through like they are, all with the help of the corporate lapdog media that washes people's minds. This has been part of their agenda for years, and now with Obama they are finally able to push it through.

You are operating under a totally false paradigm regarding how the system works. The elite at the top do not give a shit about money. They print the money and determine its value. These people are after CONTROL and POWER. Money is simply a means to their end.

The US is controlled by private, foreign bankers. They print the money out of nothing and loan it to the US AT INTEREST via the privately-owned Federal Reserve System. They control the puppet politicians at the highest levels through a network of non-governmental organizations. They WANT the US to spend itself into more debt, because the more debt that is owed to THEM, the more control they have over the people and the more justification to tax people's wealth. They already have complete control over the government.

 

The idea that it would hurt the elite is absolutely ridiculous and painfully naive. THEY'RE THE ONES BEHIND IT!!! Obviously you have not a clue who the elite are or the positions of power they occupy. Please tell me how it would hurt the Rockefellers, Morgans, Carnegies, Rothschilds, and other elite, intergenerational families which control this country via the monetary system? THOSE are the elite. The elite is not the guy who lives on the other side of town in a million dollar home. He is not even CLOSE to being elite. The elite are the people who run the show. They comprise the Anglo-American establishment that controls the political, corporate and economic system in the country AND abroad, too. Obama works for THEM. He is THEIR poodle and does what THEY tell him. Obama, like Bush, Clinton, Reagan and all the others, is a wimp who sold his soul to have the illusion of power over other people. His power is merely superficial at best.

 

If they're really what you say they are, then why don't you think they do that already? Is the health insurance industry not the elite? Why do you think that private insurance with a profit motive is going to be more cut-throat than public insurance without a profit motive? Do you think that the health insurance industry isn't running death panels now, and deciding not to give service to the old and very sick? Don't you know that they exclude people with pre-existing conditions? Don't you know that all this boogeyman shit about killing old people... there's already a public health insurance called Medicare that has been serving old people for 40 years? If you believe what you say you believe, I don't get why you think health insurance reform would change anything.

WHAT?! They're trying to stop it! Haven't you heard that the health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are astroturfing the opposition? You really think that all the local representatives who mostly have humble roots, and certainly live below your $750,000 cap, are the elite "them"? You think people like Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann are the Rockefeller elite?

And if the least of us no longer have to worry about health care, then eventually a healthier lower class that are able to focus on something other than survival may become a threat to "them". Once public health care happens, it's going to be there for good. Like social security. The multi-billion dollar insurance and pharmaceutical companies are going to be hit hard, profit-wise. The elite would oppose health care reform. In fact, they are.

 

It is far from the end... People will "get the picture"... Sorry for the pun and sorry the picture is sooooo big below...