Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Dave_techie, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. Face Eater

    Face Eater Banned

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    urgh, so you're saying that the IQ tests in which your scores ranked in the 99th percentile were bullshit?

    The theory has some merit, even if it is as you say, an 'ascribed name'.

    All sciences are prone to over-classification, that doesn't mean they're pure bullshit. Lose your prejudices about mind-control and what not and you can apply the idea to certain situations, and it does make sense.
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    But that's your opinion. Nothing more.
     
  3. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    because it's easier than saying "you know those assholes who are stupid and think they're smart?"

    seems like a silly question to me.

    and it's not a diagnosis or disorder.

    it's an effect.
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I wouldn't doubt it. Like I said, there is no way to accurately measure one's intelligence, and intelligence exams don't factor in the various forms of intelligence, either. They don't prove shit, IMO.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Effect/disorder/whatever.
     
  6. lode

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    Okay, so I just think I'm fat?
     
  7. indian~summer

    indian~summer yo ho & a bottle of yum

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    oh my god you are insane
    i think that last seizure hurt your brain

    and i am glad that rhymed, i'm going to use it in a rap song
     
  8. Face Eater

    Face Eater Banned

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    There is probably one delusional Chuck Paluhnick devotee for every 20,000 persons that read his books with healthy skepticism and detachment.

    You're working from the point of view that the majority of people are stupid. That seems to be in vogue in RT right now.

    Its getting me down.

    Maybe I'm doing it too :(
     
  9. jamaican_youth

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    I disagree, I think IQ tests are accurate when measuring a person's intelligence, how sharp they are. Just in my personal experience, the people who you can tell are smart alway score a high IQ, and vice versa, that can't be a coincidence.
     
  10. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    haha, no, not whatever.

    there is a huge difference.

    hypothyroidism is a disorder

    the sun disappearing is an effect.
     
  11. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    well they're not completely arbitrary.

    that doesn't make them accurate though...
     
  12. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    fuck in vogue.

    I've been feeling that way since I was nine man.
     
  13. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    But it also doesn't mean that a person who doesn't score high isn't gifted in some way that is not considered when writing these tests. There are plenty of ways in which a person can be gifted, yet this will not show up on a standard IQ test.
     
  14. arthur itis

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    I agree in principle, in that you are making a statement to the effect that psychology is an inexact science, but in saying it is "pure bullshit", I disagree, simply because it is not pure.

    I think in general it may be valid, in context, the context of humility and history, knowing how things change over time, and people come up with more facts, and more valid assumptions, to say that there may be an element of both self-delusion and of overmuch humility in any individual. Surely it needn't carry a title, but since there has been an agreement amongst some that it should, and has been named such-and-such by those who have agreed upon it, let them have it. It doesn't hurt me, nor you, except to say that it is specifying a phenomenon for which there is a sliding scale, on a continuum, rather than a fixed amount that can be measured, I would say.

    This phenomenon is easy to inspect. Firstly, at any moment, the alleged qualifications with which we've been accredited may change, since one's reputation depends not only on one's published works, but also on the LAST published work in specific, with more emphasis on the latter than merely on the former.

    In other words, you're only as good as your last shot, in gunslinger's terms.

    One cannot rest on one's laurel's.

    One must persevere, striving for perfection, for accuracy, though neither may eventually be reached, except perhaps in spirit. :cool:

    The closer you get, the further you realize there is yet to go. Eh?

    edit:

    I think there's a zen to this. Aim, but not at the target. Be one with the target. Give up the intention of aiming.

    I'm close, I know, but no ceegar,,haha.
     
  15. I'minmyunderwear

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    i was the sixth man for a solid two years of junior high basketball. [​IMG]
     
  16. Face Eater

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    Still, think about it David.

    Any person with half a brain is capable of thinking about these things skeptically, and using google to clarify the scientific merits of the fictional claims.

    Youlls all need to have more faith in your fellow man.
     
  17. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    I'm a trekkie, you're going to need to clear that up a little.
     
  18. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    My fellow man isn't even willing to google "anhedral"

    and this is a pretty damn good group of my fellow man.

    fucking forget the people who voted for george bush.

    and still think he should be president.

    humanity is a burning smouldering wreck that is barely worth salvaging as a whole.
     
  19. arthur itis

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    The crux of the matter here is,,what is disappointing to you? What is the underlying frustration? In what way do you wish things were different? And finally, in what way could you become instrumental in bringing about change, if change is desired?
     
  20. I'minmyunderwear

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    haha, well the sixth man on a basketball team would be the first backup player, as there are five starting players on the team.

    but i'm a shitty basketball player and i lied; i was really more like the ninth man for my brief stay on the team...

    (sixth man is also a term for the fans, as though their cheering is worth an entire player. but since i know for a fact that that is a load of BS, i don't subscribe to that definition)
     
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