Psychiatrists deduce proper health of the mind and the thoughts of your mind by comparing you to people that they have deemed healthy. The problem with this is, the mass sampling of people that psychiatrists deem healthy are your typical WASP, 9-5 working, regular ol' Christian . So a diagnosis of 'disorder' is dependent upon nothing more than how far you have deviated from the patterns of typical Christian-style life and thinking. Psychosis means nothing more than radically non-Christian. All they are doing is cross-referencing you to well-off Christians to deduce how proper you are. Psychiatry is really nothing more than an extension of the Christian ideology, and the western iquisition missionaries. Only instead of using the bible directly as the reasons for there correctness, there using the personality traits, habituations and chemical compositions of the bible followers as the reason they are correct. Even worse, psychiatrists do get paid for convincing you of this. Don't drug your thoughts and intuitions out of you just because of the psychiatrists. It can take months. But you can wrestle even the most insane of thoughts into comprehensable language. And it will be more rewarding to do this. A good place to start is, typing them to the internet and psychedellic communities. Thats why these places are here. Most people who circulate psychedellic message boards are very good at comprehending edge city concepts and potentially being able to help you connect some dots. It is part of walking the path to carry in you thoughts and ideas that are considered crazy at the time, only later to meet there closure somehow. Also. Start reading some books that intrigue your interest. I've found some very life-changing, and grounding, books when going through my local book stores in post-LSD metanoia and synchronicity.
"edge city concepts". ima use that one. good call on the reading. thanks to some incisive authors I know I am far more normal than I sometimes think.
iv been learning alot lately in my university course. im learning about psychology and crime. but anyway, humans think we have free will. but we dont have free will for shit. everything we ever do has been a learned process from childbirth. its a learned sense of right and wrong. humans are tricked into thinking we do what we want, but no, we have to live in strict society. wear cloths, walk and act in an apropiate manner for the apropiate situation. speak a propper way. drive a certain speed. everythign happens in our subconscious. you see, How can I know what I thought before I thought it. every conscious thought or decision you make, has already been decided by your subconscious mind. which is where the majority of your thought processes take place. for example, u decide to hop up and go make a cup of tea. before u even conscously thought about it, u had already decided to go do it. we have a conscious mind and a sub-conscious mind for a reason. the more we blur the two by taking lsd, the less we are able to cope in this world. a natural schizophrenic has a blurred conscious and sub-conscious mind. acid only takes down the boundry while not making u a natural born schizo, it makes u a strange half schizo. this shit is all up to date university shit i learnt last week. so there u go. if there wrong than who knows. "Free will versus determinism"
That's an interesting idea, but I think it goes deeper than that. That concious/subconcious idea is a great start, but it doesn't go deep enough. It seems like scientists and all those people look at it in black and white, two dimensionsal and all that. Let's look at it this way: assume that a disease is of something, for example heart disease is a disease of the heart. But there were other things that were off-balance that caused this as well: perhaps obesity, poor diet, lack of excercise, maybe even it was simply a weak heart, who the hell knows. My two points are this: there were tons of factors that led to, and encouraged the disease; and the disease affected the heart. Now let's look at schizophrenia. Obviously an ailment effecting the brain/mind. There's two things that make schizophrenia incredibly hard to understand, especially with the attitudes of our society. -Because of how vast the human brain and mind are, nobody really knows what it is an ailment of; is it an ailment strictly of our physical brain? or is it of our mind, for example there is something wierd in our perception, subconcious, concious, awareness, thought process, our thoughts, imagination, instinct, or what? (Those 'unconcious process' things pete talks about really seem to come in to play there) To top it all off, it is probably (meaning 'almost proven to be') a combination of some of those as well as things we probably don't even know exist. Now think about this: humans, at least in western society, have not fully determined what schizophrenia is an ailment of. -Nobody knows what brings the ailment on. This is in my opinion partly because we don't know much about the brain and the mind, and partly because we don't what it is an ailment of. (As you can see, most of this is redundant as well as relative) Either way though, this is shitty for - take note of this - everybody. If we had any sort of understanding about what brings it on, we could do something to prevent it and deminish it to a degree in people who have it. Now for my humble opinion. I believe that our perception has a large part to do with it; something screwy with our perception could account for some things, for example hearing voices. A certain frequency or sound or something may be there, and because of the shape and pattern of the sound somebody might percieve it as a vioce. (This all has to do with 'what that is' and stuff like that) It wasn't necesarrily another human talking to them verbally, but it was still there plain as the tree's eyes. I have as good an idea as you though, and that is my guess on the matter. Heh. I get a sad laugh when psychologists think that our "ideas" indicate that we have an illness or something. That's bullshit. I mean what the fuck. Everybody has thoughts and ideas, they don't mean anybody has an illness. Unless you act on some of the more violent and hateful ones... That just means that you're an asshole. Anyway, it isn't up to anybody to judge our ideas. It is up to you to decide if you can handle your own machine though. In my opinion, a mental "illness" is only an illness if it causes suffering in somebody experiencing symptoms, or violent reaction involving the unjust and direct suffering of others. Not being able to (key words; as in "not having the ability to") functon like a normal human being isn't necesarily an indicator of an illness; I would rather think that this only means the brain is engaged in something other than what a 'normal' human's is. So go right on bro, and come up with what you want to. But don't go shouting it to the wrong people, because you could get locked up for that. But those are just my thoughts and ideas on a matter that I don't understand. I don't have a clue about mental disorders; your idea is as good as mine as is good as those of the spider's on the window.
I know what I want to do. The ideas I get are not hateful so much as they remind me of slavery. To the self.
dude just anwswer the question. are u abusing lucy? take a break man, i highly doubt you actually 'suffer' from drug physchosis.
well its like this... you know those awsum crazy inventers that would have these amazing ideas, perhaps some of them too ahead of their time. some of them not. but everyone would call them crazy. but were they? no they werent. ofcourse i guess this leads to the idea that there are differnt variations of crazy? crazy brilliant... crazy psychotic mental patient(this is a true crazy person) if u see a crazy person being psychotic and stuff talking mental gibber jabber, its really hard to say that its all sweet their not crazy. so once again we have to keep in mind, there is a form of REAL crazy out there. then perhaps the not so crazy. i cant say that my psychotic reaction i had one day after doin loads of acid wasnt crazy. damnit i was walking like i was on ether from fear and loathing in las vegas. and i was talking to myself... telling myself i wasnt crazy and shit. i had become dissociated. i had increbile confidence thought i could get in to any place even tho i looked like a mental case. i was trying to drive away with no keys. my friends were restling me in the bushes. i had to be restrained. so definatly we have to distinguish the different forms of crazy, and not just slap "crazy" onto all the variations.
There are a lot of people that are considered "retarded" in most fields, but in a couple of things excel better than the rest of the world, and by considerable margins. Is retardation a factor to consider in insanity?
dunno if you already saw my post epitaph but was it that you told them that caused you to be labeled psychotic? i think most people go through some form of reality bending at some point in their life at least... it's hard to label a disorder but in general, when it starts becoming uncomfortable to the person undergoing the experience/too much to handle then something is definitely "wrong" and not just different or quirky.
it could be psychotic, or u could call it 'side-effects'. get this, cumming off anti-depressants u get all sorts of fucked up feelings and feelings of unreality. but u go to the doctor and he says there 'side-effects'. u go and tell him u did some acid, and then he;ll tell u ur crazy. but in actuall fact they are side-effects from doing a very powerfull drug that fade away in most people. so thats one thing. another is, the very reason for going to a doctor is to get a diagnosis. thats all they do. then they treat it with pharmacuticals. going to the doctor is only one way of treating yourself. and its not always the best. unless its for like anti-biotics or somthing like that. if u are having symptoms of mental anguish and refer to a doctor they are only trained to slap some diagnosis and treat it. all in under 20 minits. there are many other real cures for various 'side effects', exercise natural herbs. which infact do work. its even funnier when u see the system in a bigger 'light'.
i'd think to watch what I say before I think it out loud if you're getting strange looks for your opinions it's time for a re-evaluation of what your mind is or has become
well yeah, i guess thats self-evaluation. and 'fitting' in with what society expects of us. we evaluate ourselves, remove our real free will, and then trick ourselves thinking we have free will. when actually our whole brain is trained to fit in with 21st century society. its all just fucking halarious isnt it. lol were just smart animals. imagine a human growing up by itself on an island. its just an animal isnt it. all of what we try and create and understand could be so far from 'real reality' we just have no comprehension. like a dog cant comprehend colour. there are things in this reality that when we come close to understanding by using lsd, we go fucking crazy. cause its unfathomable to the human. we poor species. its funny we only just realised the world wasnt flat.... how long ago not long ago few hundred years tops. we know nothing about reality. yet we run around calling people that have seen things others cant comprehend crazy.
I cant wait until humans realizes how much a tree gives....But on a serious not i have questioned reality from a young,young age...I remember being in a car seat as a kid and looking at my reflection and questioning my existence and sometimes even getting panic attacks from regular sober thinking,this is before i even started using drugs..After all the tripping and smoking my panic attacks have stopped, infact i remember after my trip i had zero anxiety Alot of thinking went on during my growing up years..Its interesting shit to me
epitaph, you dont communicate your position to us very much. perhaps thats why people think your crazy. if you cant explain yourself to others in a way that they can understand, they will often get confused and believe you to be a bit off. iv always thought how one communicates is often a meter by which others can observe their level of mental stabilty, their inner balance and clarity. it dosent really matter how far out your idea is, is your can communicate the process of getting to that point, (your thoughts and feelings and expiriences) then its going to become clear. the only reason people communicate is to reflect themselves off of other people.
Sometimes a single word response can say alot...Sometimes it cant...Point is,rock on and cherish life
